spamandham

Except that it *is* in the gospel. It's all over the place. The gospels are practically fish stories.

If the fish is the gospel, then why is the gospel filled with fish symbolism as well? If the eucharist is symbolic of consuming the gospel, then why is it codified within the gospel?

The written gospels as we know them might be recording some verbal (or lost wriiten) gospel idea, but if so, then why is there such an odd divergence between the written gospels and these 3rd century fish obsessed artifacts?

stephan huller

I'm driving but the implications of the Jubilee are quite unsettling. The end of the established law and order and the introduction of perfection. How do you express that in a safe symbol fit for public consumption?

maryhelena

Stephan - texting and driving??

:angry:
http://www.oprah.com/questionaire/ipledge.html?id=4

spamandham

A legendary messiah who sacrificed himself, thus ending all messianic expectations, I suppose.

...also, I 2nd maryhelena's sentiment. We'd like to keep you around.

stephan huller

No, the Marcionites thought Jesus was just there to do the announcing. The "gospel" is the six months of announcing BEFORE the actual Jubilee

aa5874

Marcion lived about 150 years AFTER the birth of Jesus of the Gospels and did NOT teach about Jesus of the NT.

Marcion preached ANOTHER GOD and ANOTHER SON. See "First Apology"

Marcion's Son of God was NOT the son of the God of the Jews but of ANOTHER GOD GREATER than the God of the Jews. See "First Apology"

MARCION'S Son of God cannot be found in HEBREW SCRIPTURE.

Marcion's Son of God was a PHANTOM who WAS not BORN of a Woman. See "On the Flesh of Christ"

Marcion's Son of God did NOT need to be resurrected. See "On the Flesh of Christ".

Information in "Against Marcion" are CONTRADICTED by the very same "Tertullian" in On the Flesh of Christ".

Marcion's Son of God has virtually ZERO COMPATIBILITY with Jesus the Son of the God of the Jews.

MARCION'S doctrine of DUALISM is FROM EMPEDOCLES.

stephan huller

The Jubilee was the time that the better God manifest himself. t

stephan huller

Another way to see it. Why are there two covenants with Moses? It can't be simply because "that's what happened.". Ezra is making a point which Mark understood.

Transient

No Ezra is not. The stories might have said that or they may not have but we cannot say that there even was an Ezra or a Mark.
You do not know that a chap called Moses ever lived.

stephan huller

The abnegationists have been heard. 'Ezra' can be taken to mean 'whoever wrote the Torah.' Even Porphyry knows the Ezra story. Pophyry would have settled on the best lead for who other than Moses wrote the Pentateuch in his age. That's good enough for me. And then there is Irenaeus, the Talmud, Spinoza and many more people who are at least as authorative as your five minutes of exposure to the subject matter.