spin

Thanks for your clarification -- mine was a hasty response --, but my question to you doesn't buy into "yet another, HJ vs. MJ thread", for neither position can demonstrate substance to it. (See my first post in this thread.)


spin

aa5874

How do you intend to demonstrate your BELIEF that every one else, excluding you, can demonstrate NOTHING on the subject?

Once there are entities considered myths like the Greek/Romans mythical Gods, then the description of Jesus can be compared to those very myths to see if there are any fundamental similarities.

Jesus the Messiah of the NT matches Greek/Roman MYTHOLOGY perfectly.

This is Justin Martyr clearly demonstrating the similarities of Jesus and MYTHOLOGY.

"First Apology" XXI

This is how it is demonstrated that Jesus was a MYTH when Jesus believers of antiquity state that Jesus was like the MYTHS of the Greeks and Romans.

The Pauline writers DEMONSTRATE that Jesus was a MYTH when they claimed he was the Creator of heaven and earth, was EQUAL to God and MUST have RESURRECTED to REMIT the sins of ALL mankind.

Col 1:16 - OF course it can be demonstrated that Jesus can be considered to be MYTH. And Jesus was not the FIRST or LAST 1st century MYTH or non historical entity.

Mythicist can show that Jesus was described as a Myth, see the NT and Church writings and historicists can demonstrate that the NT is fundamentally Fiction with respect to Jesus the disciples and Paul

Juststeve

aa5874:

To call a position which is held by a majority of critical scholars, both historical and biblical, absurd, because it conflicts with your own is a real tribute to your self confidence. If you persist in the position that the Gospels contain no historical data whatsoever then there is little basis for further dialogue.

Good luck to you.

Steve

aa5874

And that is your blatant FLAWED ERROR. You substitute OPINION for historical evidence of your invented FICTION itinerant preacher.

You have put forward a most FALSE claim that the Gospels portrayed Jesus as an itinerant preacher when you KNOW in advance that the Gospels portrayed Jesus as the offspring of the Holy Ghost, the Son of God, the Word, the Creator of heaven and earth, who healed incurable diseases with SPIT, walked on water, transfigured, resurrected and ascended.

And after having been shown that YOUR claim is totally bogus and that you have no external credible sources of antiquity for your itinerant preacher you now APPEAL to AUTHORITY.


It is complete FICTION that the Gospels portray Jesus as an itinerant preacher.

Again, because I have shown that your claim is FALSE that Jesus was portrayed in the Gospels as an itinerant preacher you have now made another error.

I have NOT claimed the Gospels contain no historical data.

My claim is that Jesus was NOT portrayed as an itinerant preacher in the Gospels.

Look at the FACTS.

Jesus was portrayed as a MYTH type God/man.

1. In gMattthew , Jesus was PORTRAYED as the OFFSPRING of the Holy Ghost who was RAISED from the dead.

2. In gMark, Jesus was POTRAYED as the Son of God who was RAISED from the dead.

3. In gLuke, Jesus was PORTRAYED as the OFFSPRING of the Holy Spirit who was RAISED from the dead.

4. In gJohn, Jesus was PORTRAYED as the Word, the Creator, and EQUAL to God who was RAISED from the dead.

You LUCK has expired.

I have EVIDENCE, the written statements of antiquity, about the Jesus MYTH. See the Canonised Gospels and the HUNDREDS of written statements from the Church writers.

Not even Jesus believers were SURE that Jesus had FLESH up to the END of the 2nd century.

Look at the FACTS.

Look at the written statements in "On the Flesh of Christ" 1.

The written statements of Church CLEARLY demonstrate that JESUS was PRIMARILY and fundamentally considered a SPIRIT without question.

I am lucky.

I HAVE written statements from antiquity that it was AGREED that Jesus was a SPIRIT.

JESUS was MYTH/FICTION.

Jonathon Wilder

Actually, you got a few things wrong, the Gospels teach that Jesus was the offspring of God NOT the Holy Ghost. Also, he was not raise from the dead, but resurrected. It shows that he defeated death, not that he simply brought himself back to die again.

avi

"Actually", you err in my opinion, by asserting, in essence, that silly humans, i.e. people like us, possess the ability to kill an omnipotent deity.

Of course jc was not "resurrected". How could he have been? He never died in the first place. He could not have died, for he is the creator of the universe, an omnipotent being, which certainly is immune from any kind of harm inflicted by mere mortals.

actuallly, avi

Jonathon Wilder

Jesus was not an omnipotent deity at the time, but half god half mortal. As such able to die, but only if he let others kill him. You clearly don’t understand the scriptures, which you should even if you believe it fiction. You see the NT clearly says he let himself be killed and that he then overcame death, not by merely coming back, but actually gaining a resurrected body. The NT clearly shows he was not spirit, but had a body. Many touched his body and felt the nails prints in his hands and wrists, he even ate food.

aa5874

Actually, in gMatthew it is found that Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost.

Please look at the written statements from antiquity.

Mt 1:18 - Mt 1:20 - It is a FACT that in the Gospels it is written that Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost.

Jonathon Wilder

Actually that is a common misconception. It is inferred to mean that she conceives by the power of the Holy Ghost, expecally in light of other scriptures.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Scriptures that says he is the Son of God.
Gal. 4: 4, 6-7
John. 5: 5, 9-13, 20
John 3: 16-18, 36
John 3: 16-18, 36
Matt. 27: 40, 43, 54
Luke 4: 3, 9, 41

Nothing says he is the offspring of the Holy Ghost.
It is like that idea that the Gospels say that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, which it does not actually say.

Zaphod

This word you use - "critical" - I don't think it means what you think it means _TM.