Derec

Note that Lorena Bobitt was acquitted for her crime, even though there was 0 doubt that the crime was committed and that it was her who committed it. It is more like countries where FGM is technically illegal, but people still get away with it.

By the way, Lorena Bobitt has become a hero of radical feminists. How many female genital mutilators are revered by men? (beside the fact that most FGMs are performed by female relatives)

And note that male genital mutilation seems to be socially accepted that a wife of a senator makes threats invoking them. This is sick. If, say, Dianne Feinstein's or Barbara Boxer's husband made a comment that he would cut off his wife's labia and clitoris if she cheated on him, what do you imagine would happen? Would people joke about it on this site? Would people that say anything against such jokesters be bansished to ~E~?

So you acknowledge sexism but still tell me to "get over it"? If people saw it that way you'd still have no right to vote. Just saying.

Christina Mirabilis

That's a relief. Hell has melted again.

Stout Drinker

I agree with you totally that FGM is much more barbaric and severe than MGM. However MGM is practiced in the West and its not done for any medical reasons. Its done for religious and cultural reasons. FGM is prohibited in the civilized world.

Stout Drinker

Where the fuck is Lorena Bobbitt a hero? Does NOW invite her to speak at their conventions?

Is she a member of the Fund for a Feminist majority?

I'm sure you can find an oddball around who had an admiration but find one substantial feminist organization that thinks she is a hero.

Derek, Us men aren't the victims you think we are.

Christina Mirabilis

People did see it that way. We just DID something about it other than whining on internet forums. Just saying : )

******

SD - just out of curiosity, do you know if any groups are working to educate people so that circumcision isn't done as casually as it has been?

Derec

Feminist organizations, here and abroad, all have cheered the acquittal. For example, even in Ecuador the National Feminist Association protested before the US Embassy while LB was on trial. Can you imagine a men's organization protesting while a man 100% guilty of mutilating his wife was on trial?

Note that this was an acquittal for a crime that she had committed with 100% certainty, there was no doubt, reasonable or otherwise.

Also, some local feminists have harassed the wife of the doctor (Dr. James Sehn) who reattached the penis. What about the feminists who made a snipping motion with their fingers whenever they encountered a man?

Why did ABC's Cokie Roberts say after the acquittal that men are getting what they deserved? Blatant sexism on national TV is ok when directed against men.

And the number of pro-Lorena sites on the web it too much to list here. You know the kind - that say that the acquittal was ok since she was "abused", and treat that abuse as a proven fact. Never mind that her abuse is 100% certain, but his is far from it. Yet people treat her crime as merely "snapping" while he is portrayed as the true criminal.

Also see this:
SCUM Manifesto

I have never heard of the FFM.

When do oddballs seize to be oddballs and become sizeable enough to form genuine grassroots support? She has had support by many feminists.

When women who murder start getting the same sentences as men who murder I'll believe you. When women that mutilate start getting same sentences as men who mutilate I'll believe you. But as long as Lorena Bobbitts of the world get acquitted and Mary Winklers of the world get out after 7 months there is no justice.

Derec

Wait. What DID you do against gender bias? Or against women getting away with violent hate crimes against men?
Tell me concretely.

The point of this thread is not circumcision per se but a woman being acquitted of cutting her husband's penis off and that action being so politically correct in today's society that a wife of a US Senator can use it is a public threat against him.
Again, no male senatorial spouse who said he'd cut her wife's genitals if she cheated could get away with it. He would not be supported on blogs and internet fora.

Christina Mirabilis

I'm not going to bother listing everything, but here's a few:
- participated in over a dozen pro-choice educational and fundraising campaigns
- Acted as an escort at family planning clinics
- Started an employment training program for homeless women as well as several other womens' groups
- Served on the Board of Directors of a battered women's shelter and secured several hundred thousand dollars in grant funding
- Acted as the liason for homeless issues for the local commission on domestic violence.
- Secured another hundred thousand dollars to pay for education and job training for homeless women.

I've raised 10 times as much and created far more programs that primarily serve men, but that's probably irrelevant to you.

Other than resign in protest from a board that wouldn't umbrella a battered men's group, not a damn thing.

I did. Time for your list now.

'SD' meant that I was asking Stout Drinker, who is capable of answering a direct question without a rant.

Stout Drinker

You overestimate me.

To answer your question there are some anti circmsision groups. I'm not that familiar with them though.

Stout Drinker

Not true.

So? That there are some nutjobs doesn't surprise me. It hardly means that feminist groups have "all" cheered the acquittal.

John Hinckley was also acquitted of his crime. Newsflash to you: The criminal justice system sometimes fucks up. Its also designed to create more improper acquittals than improper convictions.

Source? It is certainly possible that some nutjobs would do that, but I seriously doubt its more than one or two. Nutjobs harass all sorts of people who are in the news. Its kind of a magnet.

What about feminists who make a snipping motion with their fingers? Its never happened to me. I also seriously doubt that any feminist does it "whenever they encountered a man"

The solution is that the media needs more men. Preferably they need more white men. This is an outrage.

A Virginia jury in a fairly conservative county (Prince William) believed the abuse. John Bobbitt was subsequantly convicted of abusing another wife of his so its certainly credible there was abuse. Now I'm not saying it justifies what she did.

Wow you just proved that there are some nuts in the world. It makes as much sense of taking the actions of Fred Phelps and saying it applies to all christians, or taking the actions of Mao and saying it applies to all atheists.


There is no genuine grassroots support for females chopping off a man's penis. However I don't share your victimhood fetish.