Magus55

Or its beyond human capability at present time.

Starboy

Either way, just have the honesty to admit that it is nothing more than speculation.

Starboy

Magus55

Since a heck of a lot of theists didn't become one until adulthood, this has nothing to do with thoughts of childhood or growing up. You are no more grown up than theists are, and possibly even less so since the majority of your posts are temper tantrums about how evil Christians are, and how much they are lying to themselves. Being an atheist doesn't sound to mentally healthy either.

Starboy

All sorts of people mature in different ways and grow feeble in other ways. I am glad to see that my posts are hitting home.

Starboy

Magus55

We don't start out as believers. It requires being an unbeliever first before you can be a believer. So, no not only believers can see it. I haven't been a believer in Christ my whole life. And who determines that the evidence you so claim is adequate and unbiased?

Ad Astra

God, being all-powerful, should be able to communicate with humans just fine. Unless, of course, he isn't all-powerful or chooses to withhold communication.

Starboy

As far as I can tell Magus what you believe in particular is just a feeling.

Starboy

Hyndis

I was watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade the other day, and I was thinking...

If Christianity was true, and such a god really did exist and had that kind of power, a good way to convince people would be to leave powerful artifacts scattered about, things that could only be the creation of an immensely powerful and intelligent being.

If the Holy Grail did actually exist, and actually brought healing and/or eternal life to people who drank from it, I'd probably be a devout Christian today.

In fact, I'd like very much for a religion to be true! It would be so nice to sort of have everything taken care of, so long as the rules are followed. But instead of any sort of concrete proof at all, we have chaos and contradictions.

If the word of god was such an important thing, then why has it been corrupted through the ages? The Bible itself is contradictory in many, many places. I'm sure others around here would be glad to point those verses out. But, both the Bible and Koran claim to contain the word of god, and yet they are nothing alike! Going further, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, and thousands of other religions also claim to have the meaning of life and the best way to live it. Yet many of these are very contradictory.

Hindus believe that the best way to live life is to do one's duty. So if you're born to a military family, it is your duty to fight. If you're from a shop owner's family, then you're a merchant, and so forth. Doing one's duty causes good karma so that you get promoted in the next life.

Buddhists have something of the opposite approach. Withdraw as much as possible from the material world so that you cause as little suffering as possible. Nirvahna is the release from the endless cycle of suffering, and can be attained only through poverty and decades of meditation. But even Buddhists don't argee on this! There's the small boat and big boat versions, one is sort of vaugely Christian with saints and the goal of helping others, and the small boat version is personal meditation and asceticism.

For Christians, its either good works or faith that get one to heaven. And Christians are divided among themselves about which one is it, and that caused a pretty big event some 400 years ago.

So, to sum up this little rant, if there is a god, then its either very good at hiding or likes playing tricks. Now, if an omnipotent, all knowing being would just let people know that it exists, then I'd be more than happy to believe in it. But Jesus has not yet appeared in my kitchen.

Warthur

But nobody has ever asked us to accept any of the above as our Lord and saviour, the prime guiding force in our lives.

(With the possible exception of Hitler: there's some crazy crazy neo-Nazi pseudochurches out there...)

Magus55

Hmm funny. He communicates with me. He communicates with a lot of other people. Maybe your just expecting the wrong kind of communication. He opened communication with Jesus and the Bible. If you don't accept that form of communication, why would He be expected to bother with any more? God may be loving, but that in no ways means He will bow down to you until you get over yourself enough to accept Him. He has lots of other people that are willing to accept Him. God's patient, but He doesn't wait forever.

So in other words, no we haven't successfully invented something capable of detecting God. There goes using natural methods of finding Him.