sharon45

So you accept slander?

This is akin to jesus' logic because diamonds are not rare.

Purgatory is ignored for good reason because it isn't supported by the NT.

BTW, Steamer wasn't comparing his ex-wife with the guilty, you are assuming.


Atheists don't have such sick ideas as hell, that was the worst kind of invention from any religion.

Thomas II

Hmm...Certainly I was not there...She was there, so it must have been HER memory...She selected the memory... I could not care less for her second husband ,never even met the guy, so I have no incentive...

But how did her thought get into my mind?

That would be telepathy,isn't it?

And the part about "I'm leaving!" ?...That was certainly not a memory.
It was, again,one of her last thoughts...

Personally, I believe telepathy is possible. In my family it has happened so many times that we take it for granted...
We simply see the mind as a transmitter / receiver of brain waves.

spamandham

How do you know this was her actual memory, and not something your own mind created? In the version of the story you described, you saw the scene from a distance, like a third party observer, rather than from the perspective of your grandmother. This is a strong indicator of a false memory.

The entire incident you described might be a false memory created by your own mind and planted therein in response to an emotionally stressful event. It's not uncommon. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just suggesting it as a possibility that should not be summarily dismissed.

I myself have a vivid memory of flying around my backyard as a child. I can't imagine that actually happened. I accept it was actually a dream that my brain routed to my permanent memory.

We have real science that confirms false memories, and no real science that confirms any form of telepathy. It seems the simpler explanation is a false memory created within your own mind, until it is shown that direct brain-to-brain communication at vast distances is a real possibility.

steamer

I don't see why you say that, our creation seems to have been for amusement purposes only. It seems a little arrogant to think that your existence was somehow vital for an omni-max god. So I think you are wrong, toys is exactly what we are.

I know for a fact that I do not choose consciously what I will feel about something yet I do only act on what feels right to me. Worshipping an undetectable god feels wrong to me. I am in effect broken if I'm really supposed to feel good about gods that theists only imagine.

Every child is taught they they should take care of their toys.

Assuming we don't just rot and the authors of the bible knew anything more about any actual god than you do, my choices are largely motivated by what feels right. Illogical things like dead people knowing things, feels wrong. I haven't made any choices over an actual god, I've made choices about imaginary gods like the one described in the bible.

I'm quite sure every human on the planet might be a better person than (s)he currently is. Some could endeavor to be less supersticious.

Albert Cipriani

For one, there's the parable in the Gospels about the rich man who died and was in a place of torment separated from Lazarus, the beggar, who was in the bossom of Abraham. That was a description of Purgatory, not hell, for the rich man could still communicate with God and did so out of love for his relatives he wished to warn of his fate. Neither love nor the will to pray to God exists in Hell.

Also there is the writings of Paul on the purging fires of the afterlife. -- Albert the Traditional Catholic Who Plans on Making a Shorter Pit Stop in Purgatory than Most

Albert Cipriani

Right. Atheists don't have the patience for hell. They have utopian ideas that starve people to death here and now.

Hell is a concept that, like a fine wine, takes time. Likewise, to appreciate hell as I now do is an aquired taste. First we can only stomach milk, then Coke, and finally fine wines. Hell is like that. You must first endure a lifetime of injustice to want the kind of justice only hell can deliver. -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic Who Suspects Most Folks are Going to Hell

Aristophanes

at least it's honest.

Lógos Sokratikós

You seem to take hell lightly. The thought of any of my relatives or anyone else I know going to hell is hair-raising, to say the least. Picturing hell for me is not something I like to do for more than half a minute!

Ojuice5001

I've never even begun to appreciate Coke and other sodas, nor beer and other alcoholic beverages, nor even fine wines. There are only a few things my palate is willing to drink. Milk is one of them, since I've been drinking it all my life. Orange juice is another one, and the most important, and that's why I named myself after it.


It seems to me as if my patron goddess, Postverta, intends that my life should be free from the kind of experiences and choices that have led a relatively normal Christian soul like yourself to take heaven and hell seriously. Postverta's ideals are the child, the animal, and the mythic-minded savage; somehow she has never been fond of the idea of using free will for either the purposes advocated by Jesus, or for the opposite purposes that are associated with Lucifer. My goddess yearns for the kind of sub-moral spirit that exists among animals and children.

BadBadBad

I am unaware of the existence of God. I am by myself as best as I'm able to determine. If I make decisions based entirely on myself, and that only affect myself, what is wrong with being selfish?

If I die and find out that an omnipotent omnibenevolent was standing by all along refusing to reveal himself to me because I didn't have faith in the Pope, I'm not going to think I was the one that was selfish.

BTW, welcome back from the dead yourself.