Kelly

Well, I may not be on your wavelength Toto, and that's okay, but I am definately from planet Earth, born, as a matter of fact, in a place named "Independence."

Perhaps you are among those who deny any and all gods, however I've got about 35 years of reading the ancient texts under my belt. There were gods aplenty; some good, some bad, and some merely local potentates that were deified as was common practice in the past.

Were you living in 2000 BC rather than today, you would know that in those days the term "god' did not mean what it does to the general populace today. In those days, "god" was a term bandied about in much the same way that "lord' is used to this day in England. It described a human being of authority or aristocracy. There were thousands of 'gods'.

Unfortunately when the Hebrew Nations decided to opt out for monotheism, many of them forgot how important discernment is. They carped texts and tales from all over the place. Anybody once defined as a god by the ancients became 'Elohim' to them, which eventually was simply replaced in the Bible by the word "God" with a captial G.

The first Yahweh was a guy called "Alalu" by the Hurrians and "the Amen" by the Egyptians. He was not Ra. He was originally called "the Abzu Rishtu" which implies he was considered a great teacher or a sage. He was known as the 'Pn" god or "this one" in Egypt, "the great cackler", i.e. "the goose" that laid the Egg of Creation in the Sep Tepi tale. He appears to be the original Yahweh of Genesis One. According to the story told in the Babylonian Creation tale, this being was murdered in cold blood by Enki-Ea-Ptah-Nudimmud (the serpent dude) when the Anunnaki Aryans invaded the Middle East. The second Yahweh held that title until 2000 BC. He was called Enlil in Sumer, Ellil by the Babylonians, El by the Canaanites, Geb in Egypt and El Elyon by the Hebrews. His tale is very nearly an exact carbon copy to that of Indra in the Rig Veda. He was a war lord who made a whole lot of unpopular decisions and was ousted out of the Yahweh office c. 2000 BC by the god called Marduk in Babylon; one and the same as Ra of Egypt who was one and the same as Rama in the Vedic texts. We don't know how many names this particular god was known by as in India, Rama was considered an avatar, (incarnation) of the god Vishnu, god of a thousand names...

Different wave length? Yes, I suppose I am, however I am very, very well-versed in earth history. And why shouldn't I be? I happen to live here.

John said it all in Rev 19. He repeated the word "ALALU.YAH" four times in the first six verses of that chapter. Unfortunately, the sun god worshipping Greeks translated it as "Alleluia" and in my estimation, THE WORD may have lost significant meaning in that particular translation. Of course, I do pay attention to the spoken word, as I feel the phonetics of the spoken word may ultimately hold a higher truth than the acadamic linguistics the priesthoods seem predisposed to suggest.

Would you care to debate the issue, Toto?

wordy

Kelly you made my day! You could start a SciFi TV series about such stories on the Anu and the Hebrews and Christ as the Son of God or whatever. Would be fun to see but I don't trust any of it. Sorry.

Kelly

Hey man, if I did that, I sincerely apologize, I hate to be misquoted myself. No offense meant, and I hope no offense taken.

Who could blame you for feeling that way? Certainly not I! You are expressing precisely my own sentiments when I first began this curious intellectual journey through history. Actually, I started this journey from a rather agnostic, if not thoroughly antaganistic perspective. I was raised in the church but frankly, by the time I was seven years of age, I had some serious questions.

I started this journey with a sort of "Well, just prove it then" attitude, and I must admit, I was more than a wee bit defiant.

But I have been through just about every single written history this earth has to date produced. If it's all Sci Fi, well then people writing texts 4000 years ago were masters at it, because they are describing technologies our own generation has only recently discovered.

It ceases to seem like myth after a while, particularly when one attempts to be somewhat logical in one's assumptions. For instance, I know for a fact that I am a homo sapien and that this particular genetic strain of human being has existed for at least a documented 35,000 years. I also know that in 1862 my ancestors were riding around in horse driven carriages, and, at least by today's interpretation of technology, were positively out to lunch if not technological imbeciles living in a stone age of sorts. 100 years later, homo sapiens were putting men on the moon. I watched it happen.

Our cranial cavities and our IQ potential has not increased one iota over that of mankind 35,000 years ago. If homo sapiens can make this huge, enormous leap to an advanced technological system within a mere one hundred years, what sort of arrogance do we possess to think that our homo sapien ancestors were not capable of making the very same leap in ages past?

And that is what the written histories, from India to Sumer to Egypt and beyond imply. Those histories imply that there is nothing technological that we are doing today that mankind hasn't already done in the past. It all got washed away in the Great Flood.

Let us not be too terribly biblical and self righteous about it. There would have been no Great Flood had there not been an ice age meltdown capable of raising the sea levels of every ocean of the face of the earth by 400 feet. Then, as today, the vast majority of people preferred to be coastal dwellers.

And I might add that when the ice dams holding the inland glacial lakes that had formed eventually gave way, there was nothing even remotely pretty about it. I don't care where you were in the world back then, if you lived on the earth, you were subject to the ice age melt down and the fact that glacial lakes were held by ice dams, and when they burst, all hell broke loose.

The era of the Flood was very, very real. It lasted thousands of years and there is not a civilization on the face of the earth that does not remember it in some way. The melt down didn't happen all at once, but every continent experienced the destruction of the flood in one way or another. In legend, history and myth the tale became "The Great Flood," but in truth, there is no proof that all parts of the world flooded all at the same time.

The flood(s) really happened over thousands of years and millions upon millions of people lost their lives in that time. There is even, in fact, considerable indication that a technologically advanced group from India learned that they could prophecy destruction to a certain group, then fly over in their Vimana aircraft and drop bombs on a targeted ice dam. It gave them the reputation of being "gods" and I guess the label appealed to their egos. They had an advanced technology. Any military could accomplish the same thing today, and certainly I wouldn't put a similar goal past the aspirations of the modern American military. Or perhaps China or Iran. Maybe even Israel...

As to the mind control aspects of what I have written, how well read are you on the subject? I suggest that one of the best articles on modern mind-control techniques can be found at this link.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/remot..._techology.htm

And unfortunately, there is a great deal in the ancient texts that suggest there is absolutely nothing about the subject of mind control that wasn't recognized and employed by our ancient ancestors. I'm not talking about extraterrestrials here; that appears to be nothing but a convenient ruse. I am talking about human technologies.

In the ancient Indian text titled the Yantra Sarvasa, said to have been written by the sage, Maharshi Bhardwaj, the section titled Vainmankika Prakarana had eight full chapters dealing entirely with aeronautics. David Hatcher Childress, author of Technology of the Gods, writes…

"In it Bhardwaj describes Vimana, or aerial craft, as being of three classes; (1)those that can travel from place to place; (2) those that travel from one country to another; and (3) those that travel between planets. Of special concern among these were the military planes whose functions were delineated in some very considerable detail and which read today like something clean out of science fiction. For instance they had to be impregnable, unbreakable, non-combustible and indestructible capable of coming to a dead stop I the twinkling of an eye; invisible to enemies; capable of listening to the conversations and sounds in hostile planes; technically proficient to see and record things, persons, incidents and situations going on inside enemy planes; know at every stage the direction of movement of other aircraft in the vicinity; capable of rendering the enemy crew into a state of suspended animation, intellectual torpor or complete loss of consciousness, capable of destruction; manned by pilots and co-travelers who could adapt in accordance with the climate in which they moved; temperature regulated inside; constructed of very light and heat absorbing metals; provided with mechanisms that could enlarge or reduce images and enhance or diminish sounds."

Or ponder this one…

(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendor…
…it was an unknown weapon
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the
Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
…The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white…
…After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected…
…to escape the fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment."
(from the Mahabharata)

For texts said to have originated several thousand years ago, I find these descriptions uncomfortably familiar, don't you?

So yes Wordy, I quite agree with you. Either the ancients were the best Science Fiction writers my mind can possibly grasp, or these guys did what they said they did and are describing frighteningly real technologies that our ancestors discovered long, long ago and we are obviously following in their footsteps.

They, of course, used those technologies in the wrong way, blew the hell out of civilization and plunged humanity back into the dark ages.

Alas, one gets the feeling that history will go on repeating itself until our lessons are learned.

I have decided it is better to "love thy neighbor as thyself" than blow ourselves up again in still another ungodly 'holy war.'

That's why I believe in the Lamb. I've read too much ancient history and would not care to repeat some of the events I've read about.

It's not so much a matter of 'belief' or even 'faith' on my part. It's simply my chosen position based upon the logic of someone who would not care to repeat history again.


G'night...It's time for some shut-eye...

wordy

Old or Jewish Testament also has descriptions on such crafts.

Could it not more likely be their way of making impression on the listener or reader of such texts. Impression is very important in persuading people. So they had to be good story tellers and they competed with each other and these Vimana, or aerial craft was one such imaginative story.

A kind of pep talking.

bacht

You're not kidding are you? You're just proving that humans are as irrational today as they ever were.

As wordy says, you should write a book or script. There's always a market for this kind of stuff

Jeffrey Gibson

Could you name half a dozen or so of these "histories" that you've "been through"?

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

[QUOTE=Kelly;5694367]How many Mesopotamian "creation of man" texts" are there exactly?

Could you name these texts please, and cite the passages within them where this "breeding program" is described?

Jeffrey

spamandham

What you've done is to argue for the plausibility of the idea that there was an actual Y'shua of Galilee who was actually crucified for standing up for what he believed in. When you said you were convinced of this, did you actually just mean you find the idea plausible, or is there some reason you think that this plausible idea was actual?