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Answerer · 07-28-2004, 10:34 AM

War of the Christians, what a rare sight in this forum..............

Antichrist in Rome? I will take note of that.

(But I think my catholics friends will kill me if I suggest this in front of them)

Clivedurdle · 07-28-2004, 10:38 AM

Could someone who hasn't got strong views in favour of or against Mary comment is there any possibility that Mary mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene are the same person?

This effects several popular books - Holy Blood and Holy Grail and Da Vinci code to name only two!!!

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Yes she is divine, she is the Goddess like Jesus is God and both where begotten by the Inefalibe Father and all three form The Trinity

Something wrong here? Trinity includes Holy spirit, if we add in Mary that makes four!

Evoken · 07-28-2004, 08:40 PM

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I wasn't aware you were Catholic..

If Mary is divine, why does the Bible make not a single mention of it, and even has Jesus going against the crowd that called her blessed?

I am not Catholic I am Gnostic Christian. So acording to my tradition, Sophia/Mary is divine she is the Goddess.

Evoken · 07-28-2004, 08:44 PM

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More blasphemy. The church isn't infallible, God is in charge, not the church, and I'm well aware Catholics say there is no salvation outside the church, which again goes against God's Word. I have a very strong feeling the Antichrist is gonna set up headquarters in Rome.

The Bible disagrees with you about there being no redemption outside the Church. The RCC is not the one true church. The body of believers is.

It is true, there is no redemption outside The Church because The Church is US and not a one billion dollar building.

Evoken · 07-28-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Something wrong here? Trinity includes Holy spirit, if we add in Mary that makes four!

No..the Holy Spirit is not a member of the trinity perse but it is that which sows the divine seed in us.

Chili · 07-28-2004, 10:06 PM

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and I'm well aware Catholics say there is no salvation outside the church, which again goes against God's Word. I have a very strong feeling the Antichrist is gonna set up headquarters in Rome.

No, the CCC holds that there is salvation outside the church but not the fulness of salvation which means that it is impossible to work out your own salvation outside the church and therefore you (impersonal) are and remain our separated brethren. It's just their politically correct way of saying that you're going to hell.

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The Bible disagrees with you about there being no redemption outside the Church. The RCC is not the one true church. The body of believers is.

How can you be redeemable if you are basically evil?

Magus55 · 07-28-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

No, the CCC holds that there is salvation outside the church but not the fulness of salvation which means that it is impossible to work out your own salvation outside the church and therefore you (impersonal) are and remain our separated brethren. It's just their politically correct way of saying that you're going to hell.

No, actually I'm going to Heaven with Christ, because He promised eternal life to anyone who accepts Him as Lord and Savior, which I have. If you would read the Bible, and not rely on the fallible Pope to tell you what to believe in, you might know this.

Chili · 07-28-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Could someone who hasn't got strong views in favour of or against Mary comment is there any possibility that Mary mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene are the same person?

This effects several popular books - Holy Blood and Holy Grail and Da Vinci code to name only two!!!

Something wrong here? Trinity includes Holy spirit, if we add in Mary that makes four!

But I am not pro Mary nor am I against Magdalene. Magdalene is our friend the first fourty years of our life and after that she will be part of the other Mary and is still ours to enjoy except that now we can enjoy her without being driven by her.

So we can say that after resurrection the two Mary's are one if and only if we are reborn of Mary (that's what resurrection means because only the ego was crucified). The friendhip between these two Mary's is alluded to when "Herod and Pilate became friends from that day" (Luke 23:12), because remember that there was emnity between the greater (Mary) and lesser (Magdalene) serpent which is what caused the desire in the mind of Joseph wherefore Herod and Pilate were set against each other until Jesus-the-Jew actually died -- which is when peace on earth was restored because Magdalene was left without a companion and Mary could quite "striking at her head."

My only objection is that we must not have Magdalene as our rebirth mother.

Mary is in charge of the HS and in heaven the HS is obviously redundant because we have Mary as inspiration and is our light by night and by day.

Chili · 07-28-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

No, actually I'm going to Heaven with Christ, because He promised eternal life to anyone who accepts Him as Lord and Savior, which I have. If you would read the Bible, and not rely on the fallible Pope to tell you what to believe in, you might know this.

Yes I know very well how you think and wish you the the best of luck.

Clivedurdle · 07-29-2004, 05:51 AM

This is all fascinating! Chili, you seem to be agreeing the Magdalene and Mary are the same!

Any views from anyone else on this?

I also had no idea when catholics and protestants talk about the trinity, they are discussing different threesomes!

Are there any foundations to any of this, or is it all guess upon guess upon guess?

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07-28-2004, 10:34 AM	#41
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	War of the Christians, what a rare sight in this forum.............. Antichrist in Rome? I will take note of that. (But I think my catholics friends will kill me if I suggest this in front of them)

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	This is all fascinating! Chili, you seem to be agreeing the Magdalene and Mary are the same! Any views from anyone else on this? I also had no idea when catholics and protestants talk about the trinity, they are discussing different threesomes! Are there any foundations to any of this, or is it all guess upon guess upon guess?

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