DNAReplicator

No. I am a non-believer. You are a believer.

I am not sure if a real human being called Jesus of Nazareth existed or not. In fact, having a real human being against whom a number of other legends and stories were later ascribed seems a plausible explanation. That does not mean I think this is true…just that I accept it is plausible.

So I will entertain the notion that there may have been an HJ. I will also entertain, even lean towards the notion that there may not have been a HJ. The evidence is inconclusive. I can express a balance-of-evidence opinion, but I am not sure. I am a non-believer.

Christians, on the other hand, when faced with the same absence of conclusive evidence will proclaim that they are convinced that Jesus did exist. They are believers.

You on the other hand seem absolutely convinced there was no HJ. With the same absence of conclusive proof, this too becomes a faith based position. You are a believer.

aa5874

You are confused. You are not sure what to believe. You have clearly stated that, according to you, the evidence is in conclusive.

I do NOT believe that Jesus existed. I am a NON-BELIEVER.

Amaleq13

No, as DNAReplicator correctly observes, your repeated assertions that Jesus did not exist makes you a believer.

A "non-believer" is a better description of an agnostic which, incidently, is the only position your argument actually supports. The logical error involved in your leap to certain denial has been explained to you repeatedly by several different people but you refuse to accept it.

aa5874

I BELIEVE NOTHING about Jesus.

Amaleq13

So you will never again assert that Jesus did not exist since that is a belief about Jesus?

thedistillers

You should enroll in an introductory course in logic.

To believe "nothing" about X means that you're not making any assertion concerning X.

If you say "there is no credible evidence about Jesus', then you're making an assertion about Jesus. It means you believe something concerning Jesus.

If you believe nothing about Jesus, then you should not ever make an assertion concerning Jesus.

aa5874

You are completely illogical.

Statements are made about Jesus in the NT. After examining these statements, I BELIEVE NOTHING about Jesus, as stated in the NT.

thedistillers

As someone already pointed out, you're playing semantics games. If you don't want to call it a "belief", fine. The bottom line is that you take a position concerning Jesus, which is what Amaleq13 was pointing out.

It's like saying that those who think OJ killed his wife have a belief, but those who think he didn't don't have a belief. That's just silly. Even if your opinion is negative about something, it's still a belief. It is those who do not pronounce themselves that have no belief.

aa5874

You are the one playing games.

You know that NON-BELIEF is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE to BELIEF, yet you continue to make illogical statements.

thedistillers

I was careful to point out that what is being relevant here is that you take a
position concerning Jesus. It's irrelevant if you label it a "non-belief". The bottom line is that you take a position, unlike those who stay agnostic concerning Jesus.