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Old 03-29-2010, 06:52 PM   #11
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'The wearing of purple was outlawed for anyone below equestrian rank. The only available robe of this kind for Jesus would belong to Pilate, but it is inconceivable that he would lend his garment to be spat on by soldiers. '

When I pointed this out, I was told that there was nothing out of the ordinary for Jesus to have been robed in an old purple robe of Pilate's.....
The purple robe was symbolic or a reference to the purple robe worn by the statue of the god ( ". . The triumphal robe, a garment of regal purple embroidered with gold, and the gold laurel wreath were both borrowed from the statue of the god in the temple Jupiter" Capitolinus). It would be as if someone mistook the ruby slippers worn by Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz as literal rather than it's symbolic meaning.
And what about a symbolical crucifixion? It could be someone mistook the crucifixion as literal rather than its symbolic meaning.
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... It would be as if someone mistook the ruby slippers worn by Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz as literal rather than it's symbolic meaning.


Are you sure you want to push this comparison?

Is Jesus as real as Dorothy? Was the crucifixion as real as Oz?

In the movie, Dorothy wore ruby slippers, but in the novel they were silver, for openly symbolic reasons related to Frank Baum's economic theories. The ruby slippers may have other levels of symbolism in the mind of the beholders.
Thus the illustration that a text can be read at different levels, from the literal to the symbolic. This concept fits rather well with the following hypothesis re the possible theatrical occupation of the Apostle Paul in the following thread; Paul the tentmaker or Paul the stagehand?
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Are you sure you want to push this comparison?

Is Jesus as real as Dorothy? Was the crucifixion as real as Oz?

In the movie, Dorothy wore ruby slippers, but in the novel they were silver, for openly symbolic reasons related to Frank Baum's economic theories. The ruby slippers may have other levels of symbolism in the mind of the beholders.
Thus the illustration that a text can be read at different levels, from the literal to the symbolic. This concept fits rather well with the following hypothesis re the possible theatrical occupation of the Apostle Paul in the following thread; Paul the tentmaker or Paul the stagehand?
And we can use that same illustration to show that the entire Jesus story fits very well or was probably symbolic rather than literal. It was just mis-understood.
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Thus the illustration that a text can be read at different levels, from the literal to the symbolic. This concept fits rather well with the following hypothesis re the possible theatrical occupation of the Apostle Paul in the following thread; Paul the tentmaker or Paul the stagehand?
And we can use that same illustration to show that the entire Jesus story fits very well or was probably symbolic rather than literal. It was just mis-understood.
Or the entire Jesus story was literal and prophetic. And this was understood by the first century believers.
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Thus the illustration that a text can be read at different levels, from the literal to the symbolic.
Who on earth reads the Wizard of Oz literally?? Do you believe in witches? Talking lions / scarecrows / tin men???

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What does this have to do with the translation of one Greek word in Acts?
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And we can use that same illustration to show that the entire Jesus story fits very well or was probably symbolic rather than literal. It was just mis-understood.
Or the entire Jesus story was literal and prophetic. And this was understood by the first century believers.
But, you have contradicted yourself so easily. You just forgot the symbolic purple robe.

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The purple robe was symbolic or a reference to the purple robe worn by the statue of the god ( ". . The triumphal robe, a garment of regal purple embroidered with gold, and the gold laurel wreath were both borrowed from the statue of the god in the temple Jupiter" Capitolinus). It would be as if someone mistook the ruby slippers worn by Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz as literal rather than it's symbolic meaning.
It as if you mis-took the Jesus story as literal instead of symbolic.
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You just forgot the symbolic purple robe.
This highest form of symbolism was generally reserved for those who had been "elevated to the purple".

It was a rather high distinction in the Roman empire. Stories circulated about spies appointed to watch "Cloth Merchants" for anyone buying purple cloth. This kind of activity was symbolic of the activity of plots against the Emperor and had severe results for many people.
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'The wearing of purple was outlawed for anyone below equestrian rank. The only available robe of this kind for Jesus would belong to Pilate, but it is inconceivable that he would lend his garment to be spat on by soldiers. '
Did these rules on permitted dress operate outside of Italy ?

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'The wearing of purple was outlawed for anyone below equestrian rank. The only available robe of this kind for Jesus would belong to Pilate, but it is inconceivable that he would lend his garment to be spat on by soldiers. '
Did these rules on permitted dress operate outside of Italy ?

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There were no equestrian rank outside of Italy but within the Roman Empire?
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