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Old 02-28-2008, 11:29 AM   #41
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List of Rivers in Ancient Israel:

Abana
Arnon
Chebar
Cherith
Egypt, River of
Euphrates
Gihon
Hiddekel
Jabbok
Jordan
Kanah
Kidron
Kishon
Pharpar
Pison
Zared

Lakes and Seas:
Chinnereth (Sea of Galilee)
The Great Sea (Mediterranean)
Waters of Merom
Salt Sea (Dead Sea)
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Didn't happen. The people of Israel are lost.


You are misrepresenting the prophecy. The people of Judah don't fulfill the prophecy about Israel.


Pernicious rubbish. Zionist Israel started three out of the four wars. The other was started in an effort to regain what Israel had stolen. There is nothing peaceful about a country that imposes apartheid on people within and without their country.


Your biases mislead you.


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No, YOU are misrepresenting the prophecy. The prophecy states that Israel will be watched over and rebuilt. It was.

The prophecy also stated the the people of Israel will be back in Israel. They are.

How many were in Israel before 1948? How many after?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together.
it also says that the temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount. I notice you skipped over that as does every person screaming about prophecy being correct about Jewish Israel. its a great big pimple on the nose or the prophesy.
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How do you also explain the one where God said he would flow rivers through it when there was nothing but dirt in biblical times?

guess Ezekial just "got lucky", huh?
Seriously? There were no rivers or other bodies of water in Palestine before the 1st century CE? No River Jordan? No Sea of Gallilee? No Dead Sea?


4. Trees would flourish again in a desolate Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:18-20
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:18-20, the prophet's talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel - the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve farming. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive land during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s, when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation systems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.
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Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
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No, YOU are misrepresenting the prophecy. The prophecy states that Israel will be watched over and rebuilt. It was.

The prophecy also stated the the people of Israel will be back in Israel. They are.

How many were in Israel before 1948? How many after?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together.
it also says that the temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount. I notice you skipped over that as does every person screaming about prophecy being correct about Jewish Israel. its a great big pimple on the nose or the prophesy.

6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Partially in modern times
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. Various Christian scholars regard this as a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future. But it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews have always regarded the city as important. Followers of Islam later adopted Jerusalem as an important city in their beliefs. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
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Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.



Here's another one just for good measure:

7. Egypt would never again rule over nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Egypt today, in many respects, is an impressive nation. But since the time of Ezekiel, it no longer rules over other nations.
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Ezekiel 29:15
… I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.


So, how can you explain why Egypt hasn't been able to do anything?
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i see no sentence in that passage that indicates he is hoping.
The fact that he wrote it establishes his hope. Surely you don't think he hoped it would not come true?

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Why are you trying to make the Bible say something it doesn;t?
I'm not. I'm denying that there is any reason to appeal to magical foreknowledge for what was written.
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But look at Israel. British control ceased and America recognized their independence. This all happened within 24 hours.
And nothing that happened for years prior had anything to do with what was finally accomplished on that day?

Simplistic nonsense.
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but, how do you explain God telling the people of Israel that they will be protected?
God didn't tell anybody anything. A human wrote that God would protect them and the human was apparently indulging in wishful thinking

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israel was ATTACKED by close to ten countries after gaining independence and was outnumbered by millions upon millions of people. Yet this tiny peaceful nation won.

How so?
They fight like rabid badgers and with the knowledge that losing likely means complete eradication.

Your faith is clearly strong but you don't appear to have much else to support your assertions.
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it also says that the temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount. I notice you skipped over that as does every person screaming about prophecy being correct about Jewish Israel. its a great big pimple on the nose or the prophesy.

6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Partially in modern times
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. Various Christian scholars regard this as a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future. But it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews have always regarded the city as important. Followers of Islam later adopted Jerusalem as an important city in their beliefs. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
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Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.



Here's another one just for good measure:

7. Egypt would never again rule over nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Egypt today, in many respects, is an impressive nation. But since the time of Ezekiel, it no longer rules over other nations.
- Copyright 100prophecies.org
Ezekiel 29:15
… I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.


So, how can you explain why Egypt hasn't been able to do anything?
Typical evasion answer my question and I will answer yours. proselytizing is not an answer. posting a bunch of cherry picked bible verses prove nothing. Answer if your god is so powerful why is the temple mount have a Muslim masque? this is very much a part of this prophecy and no Xian seams to want to tackle the fact that Jerusalem's most holy site does not belong to the Hebrews it belongs to the Muslims. Again its the festering pimple on your prophecy nose. While your at it how are you going to convince all those Hebrews to start sacrificing animals again? if anything Allah is the one true god not Yahweh.
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Seriously? There were no rivers or other bodies of water in Palestine before the 1st century CE? No River Jordan? No Sea of Gallilee? No Dead Sea?


4. Trees would flourish again in a desolate Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:18-20
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:18-20, the prophet's talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel - the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve farming. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive land during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s, when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation systems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.
- Copyright 100prophecies.org



Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.
wow trees and grass will grow next to water? I did not know that. god is miraculous.
Okay so answer this. Why did Gawd have to wait for man to develop modern irrigation techniques to make Israel bountiful? I hear he can make it rain allot. also why did the trees have to be planted? couldn't god make them out of dirt? I am pretty sure that he made them before photosynthesis was even available. so he had to wait for men to plant trees? doesn't sound very Gawdly to me. its almost like he had nothing to do with it and men did all the work.
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6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Partially in modern times
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. Various Christian scholars regard this as a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future. But it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews have always regarded the city as important. Followers of Islam later adopted Jerusalem as an important city in their beliefs. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
- Copyright 100prophecies.org
Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.



Here's another one just for good measure:

7. Egypt would never again rule over nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Egypt today, in many respects, is an impressive nation. But since the time of Ezekiel, it no longer rules over other nations.
- Copyright 100prophecies.org
Ezekiel 29:15
… I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.


So, how can you explain why Egypt hasn't been able to do anything?
Typical evasion answer my question and I will answer yours. proselytizing is not an answer. posting a bunch of cherry picked bible verses prove nothing. Answer if your god is so powerful why is the temple mount have a Muslim masque? this is very much a part of this prophecy and no Xian seams to want to tackle the fact that Jerusalem's most holy site does not belong to the Hebrews it belongs to the Muslims. Again its the festering pimple on your prophecy nose. While your at it how are you going to convince all those Hebrews to start sacrificing animals again? if anything Allah is the one true god not Yahweh.
Did you even read it? The person explaining this prophecy admits Muslims use it too. The prophecy was that people would stream to the Lord's temple in the last days. obviously it was not talking about that moment in time. it said LAST DAYS.

6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Partially in modern times
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. Various Christian scholars regard this as a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future. But it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews have always regarded the city as important. Followers of Islam later adopted Jerusalem as an important city in their beliefs. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
- Copyright 100prophecies.org
Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.
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