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Old 09-26-2003, 11:23 AM   #131
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Sounds fucking great, Magus. What a wonderful future awaits us all once we have accepted Jesus. An everlasting big family. Total paradise, eh?
This is getting creepier and creepier.
All forms of sex are taboo, heterosexual, homosexual, even auto-erotic. There is horror over the Catholics veneration of a 'mere' woman. And a universal consensus that people are neither intelligent nor are they worthy.

Why would anyone possibly want to align themselves with such nonsense? The more I read what Christians on this board write the worse it seems. What the hell is the matter with these people?!
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Old 09-26-2003, 12:36 PM   #132
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This is getting creepier and creepier.
All forms of sex are taboo, heterosexual, homosexual, even auto-erotic. There is horror over the Catholics veneration of a 'mere' woman. And a universal consensus that people are neither intelligent nor are they worthy.

Why would anyone possibly want to align themselves with such nonsense? The more I read what Christians on this board write the worse it seems. What the hell is the matter with these people?!
Low self esteem?
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Old 09-26-2003, 02:58 PM   #133
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The Gospels of the New Testament reiterate the divine laws that still apply ( Ten commandment type laws, Love God, love your neighbor, no murder, no adultery, no lying etc).
Of course. The Ten Commandments are too popular to sweep under the carpet with the generalization "Jesus fulfilled the OT laws under the New Covenant," which you seem to be doing with all the other laws that are too inconvenient to actually follow.
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Divine laws ( natural law) still apply, as told in the Gospels.
Where in the Gospels? I'm aware that Jesus said He was not there to abolish the OT laws, but rather to fulfill them, and that every one of them were still in effect until heaven and earth pass away, which you choose to ignore. I'm asking why you're not applying that intentional disobedience to the beastiality laws as you are to the laws prohibiting eating certain foods, wearing certain fabrics in clothes, etc. The search strings "divine law/laws" and "natural law/laws" do not occur in the Gospels at all, so I'm inclined to believe that you're making that up. Jesus nowhere taught that certain laws were relaxed and others still enforced; if anything, He taught they were all still in effect.
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The laws that applied to the Israelites ( meat prohibition, clothing, etc.) no longer apply under the New Covenant.
Right. That's what you're being asked to explain. Prohibition against beastiality is included in the "etc." you referred to (references available on request), and if the prohibitions against certain foods, clothing, hair styles, and so forth are exempted, WHY isn't beastiality (if you think beastiality is a sin)? Why would the prohibition against beastiality be considered a "natural" law, but other prohibitions against eating certain animals not be considered "natural"?

Since your credibility and scholarship have been called into question, if you want to allude that a certain principle is taught in the Gospels, the New Testament, or anywhere in the Bible, you'll need to provide an exact reference, because you seem to be playing fast and loose with the facts.

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Old 09-26-2003, 03:06 PM   #134
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Instead of having that problem, everyone is just brothers and sisters in Christ. We become a big family.
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Male and female anatomy are perfectly designed to go together.

I've known women and men who would disagree with that (i.e. who have problems having "natural" intercourse with the opposite sex). Trust me, Magus, male and female anatomies come in a wide range of variations on the ideal "design" you conceive. Two poorly matched anatomies won't go together well. There's nothing "perfect" about it.

Anal and oral orifices are not designed for sex, they are for eating and waste removal.

(I don't know about you, but I never eat with my anus, and only occasionally use my mouth to remove waste.)

And our butts were not designed to sit on toilets.

And hands are not designed to type on keyboards.

And feet are not designed to wear shoes.

And the nose and ears are not designed to hold up glasses.

And our spine was not designed to walk upright.

And our bodies were not designed to play football, baseball, or tennis, or to dance ballet.

And our minds were not designed to enjoy poetry and modern music.

And our speech ability was not designed to sing opera.
The earth was not designed for us to use as a temporary shelter until we enter into the afterlife.

Dinosaurs were not designed to amuse paleontologists while they are waiting entry into their true home in heaven.

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I have an expression that I use frequently called "heavenism". Heavenism is, for me, that belief that what's really important is God in heaven, making, as it were, heaven our important home instead of Earth our home; viewing the Earth as disposable. In the end, the Earth is going to come to an end, that's what we've thought, this is just matter, and so it doesn't really matter what happens to it.

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