burning flames

I have nothing but a feeling I sometimes get when I think about jesus, or pray

burning flames

but then I pray, god please change your mind about sending everyone else to hell, and then I kind of snap out of it

steamer

Feelings are pretty accurate indicators about what you think, but not very good at deciding what is true. If you are mistaken that a friend has wronged you, you will feel that he has wronged you (angry or sad or whatnot) whether your friend actually wronged you or not.

I see that men imagine many gods. None of them can show that god is something more than a thing they imagine. This has been happening for thousands of years with thousands of gods and not one of them has been shown to be more than just things men imagine.

steamer

What are you even talking to? Is it something you imagine? Do you telepathically shoot the message out into the universe and imagine god hears it? Do you just talk out loud and imagine god hears it? Which part of praying doesn't have you imagining something?

schu

We skeptics are happy hell is just pretend, but think about what you pretend is your god. He is all powerful and all knowing if you believe the book he is supposed to have breathed (don't know how that works). Okay, this all knowing and all powerful god knows and did know a million years before I was born that I would be skeptical of him. If he knows the outcome than it can be no other way, there can be no freewill. Either I'm going to burn in hell because that is what he knows will happen or the story isn't true and god is just pretend.:devil: :devil3:

EternallyI

No, your going to burn in hell because that is what you choose. But you can choose something different tomorrow. God did know that right now you would be sceptical of Him. But you don't know if you will be in a year. Unless of course you've already chosen that you will be.

"Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion." Heb 3:15

For we have also had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Heb 4:2

windsofchange

Moving to ~E~.

schu

The god breathed book again? You only have faith because of your fear of hell. That shows that you do in fact deserve it. Your passages are meaningless in the face of the fact that one cannot do anything other than what an all powerful all knowing god knows you are going to do beforehand.
All of your assertions to the contrary are just more pretend from a religious mind. See you have sent us all to h~E~ll

Cege

What about those who did not choose the NT "gospel" because they didn't hear it? Not all those in the "world" of the NT testament heard. Not those living in the Americas, China, Australia, etc heard for hundreds of years.

Doesn't it seem that the whole eternal suffering in hell thing is out of proportion to the time (120 years or less)? It certainly seems that way to me.

There are mean people who do terrible things (some of them the same things that God did or encouraged in the OT stories) and there are people who are just average folks, not harming others to any great extent. Even for the worst people, couldn't a torture period in hell equivalent to the length of their lives bring them around to a believing point?

MrFrosty

It makes hella sense to me :grin: