SLD

No, Magus. He has only proven that you are illogical. :banghead:

SLD

LP675

I don’t know. I’m not a psychologist.
True, and true. All religious or philosophical systems only remain plausible when they are articulated in social interaction. This forum is a plausibility structure for the symbolic universe of metaphysical naturalism or atheism or whatever. If you were to head on over to theology web (or some other plausibility structure for the Christian symbolic universe) you might find wider consensus that Christianity does make sense.

If you start a thread on the topic, I might post in it. Needless to say although it might be considered a tough question by some, I think the Christian worldview informed by the Bible has reasonable answers to such questions.
Yeah, in my family I have a doctor, a dental therapist, two doctors in training, and a dental hygienist in training as close relatives (I didn’t escape that one , although I might not fully comprehend the placebo effect, as I have engaged in a little bit of controversy regarding exactly what it is). I think placebo effects are probably irrelevant in the cases I am contemplating (smashed up knee from motorcycle accident instantaneously healed to total health in church meeting, an unborn baby with chronic health problems healed in the womb to the astonishment of doctors etc).

Yes, you are probably right. Honestly it’s not high on my priority list at the moment.

MadMez

LP675! This is it! This is the kind of thing I'm talking about! If you can provide any, I mean any references, hospital notes, newspaper articles, ANYTHING, this will do it for me! Sign me up.

I have a close friend in Seattle that has exactly the same ailment. Let's get this thing corroborated! He's a BMW 65R owner. Bad accident. Needs the knee fixed. Which church meeting should he attend? To which sect should he subscribe?

Finally the proof of spirituality and God I've been waiting for. Bring it on LP675, we await your light.

LP675

Sure, I will enquire as to whether he has anything like that tomorrow or Sunday.

grendel prime

this is exactly what i have been wondering. why not allow your disciples to do something really spectacular. most of the healing claims i've ecountered are either outright fake or simply unverified by any objective evidence. why not raise the three day dead? (again, the greater works than these clause). such a miracle, while not sufficient to make all of christianity (or any supernaturalism) true, could be more convincing that what i've seen now.

CX

This really seems more like GRD to me...

ccolinh

I am from Dallas and I was once invited to hear a talk given by a man who claimed he was raised from the dead after 4 days and having been embalmed and all organs removed.

I kick myself now for declining the offer, what a hoot that would have been. :rolling:

JohNeo

One million dollars.

No, seriously it would probably take immortality without dying first before I could say I believed.

JohNeo

LP675

Sorry, no can do. I asked him today, he said he didn’t have anything.

I know you weren’t particularly interested in the other story about the deformed baby the doctor said should be aborted, who was healed after prayer, but after talking with a pastor today I could probably get ‘before’ and ‘after’ medical documentation proof of that one.

WCH

I've got medical records of infants making "miraculous" recoveries, such as one who, without really any treatment (they decided that surgery or chemo or anything would probably kill him) healed from both a heart defect and leukemia, but that was a little more gradual, and I still don't consider it proof of a miracle, just abnormal recovery.