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Aljomafo · 03-10-2006, 05:22 PM

The lie of evolution as it stands is the idea that evolution is the random movement of physical material that through it's blind movement and unfeeling co-mingling, coincidentally creates the entire universe. It is preposterous to think that a chaotic system could give birth to anything really, little own the amazing complexity and order of our universe. And if I am a being created by an all together random and chaotic process, why do I look for order in my own life? How could randomness give birth to order? The path my consciousness has taken from birth to today has been deliberate and focused. Even one day reflects this idea: I awake and have breakfast, shower, do my work for the day...etc. I don't approach each day in a random and chaotic way by completely overhauling my behavior for reasons unknown to me, in the hopes of somehow randomly mutating something that will make my life more survivable. How could I live this way? I would most certainly be insane to do this. Yet science ascribes this exact behavior to the evolutionary process. The very process that has created mostly everything. I am only one small human given the gift of life by the God science calls Evolution. Certainly It would be in my best interest to learn from my Mother/Father of Evolution by becoming more random. Would you wake up tommorrow and randomly decide to adopt a new religion because it might help you randomly mutate a third arm to help you with your busy schedule? Of course not. The theory of evolution as it stands now is a blind, deaf, unfeeling and brainless piece of physical matter that lives only to move and consume simply to survive. Surprisingly more apt in describing the behavior of a zombie, than any living thing i've ever examined. It's an idea born not of objective logical thought and reason; but of the blind pride of men who crown themselves the light of the universe, all the while not seeing that the very zombie like behavior they project onto the universe is born of their own dying hearts. If science is responsible at all it will abandon this dead idea, and replace it with a more truthful one: Consciousness and purposeful direction are the foundation of evolution, not physical matter and random movement.

Rusting Car Bumper · 03-10-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aljomafo

The lie of evolution as it stands is the idea that evolution is the random movement of physical material that through it's blind movement and unfeeling co-mingling, coincidentally creates the entire universe.

Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It has to do with the changes of species over time. Further, "movements" are not "random" but act in accordance with ordered laws of nature. In other words evolution is not said to occur IN SPITE of nature but BECAUSE of nature.

DC

David B · 03-10-2006, 05:39 PM

Oh dear

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Originally Posted by Aljomafo

The lie of evolution as it stands is the idea that evolution is the random movement of physical material that through it's blind movement and unfeeling co-mingling, coincidentally creates the entire universe....

Evolution is a theory about how life develops given that there are self replicating molecules. Which both makes sense and fits the world we see.

Just show me one evolutionist who claims that 'random movement of physical material that through it's blind movement and unfeeling co-mingling, coincidentally creates the entire universe'

There are none. Nor does such a view follow from what evolutionists do claim.

So anything that follows from your false premise is suspect.

So there's no need to go any further.

David B

Aljomafo · 03-10-2006, 05:41 PM

Alright, so evolution exists only here on Earth in plants, animals, and humans. So how does the rest work?

nygreenguy · 03-10-2006, 05:42 PM

I forgot who said it, but another guy on here made an accurate observation. Creationists HATE making paragraphs.

Figured out who it was! RBH!

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Not to mention a paucity of paragraphs. Why is it that creationist rants have no paragraphs?

Chris Weimer · 03-10-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aljomafo

Alright, so evolution exists only here on Earth in plants, animals, and humans. So how does the rest work?

How does the rest of what work? If you're interested in the universe, go to Science and Skepticism forum. This is for evolution and evolution-related topics.

David B · 03-10-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aljomafo

Alright, so evolution exists only here on Earth in plants, animals, and humans. So how does the rest work?

What do you mean by the rest?

How self replicating molecules came to exist?

How the Earth came to exist?

How the universe came to exist?

The best understood of those questions is the second, but there is no reason to invoke a supernatural explanatio for any of those questions.

But now I'm off to bed - it's nearly 2 am over here.

Form some proper questions, rather than making a rant based on false premises, and, if no-one else has answered you, then I'll see what I can do when I have the time. Busy day tomorrow.

David B

Cynner · 03-10-2006, 05:48 PM

Psst...paragraphs.

A strawman embedded in some ignorant rambling does not an argument make.

Here's a clue, it's not random.

WTH has happened in Canada? I was hoping when I become an ExPat, I wouldn't have to leave the hemishpere. Have you guys tapped into our water supply or something?

Aljomafo · 03-10-2006, 05:50 PM

You know you call funamentalist christians down to the lowest, without seeing that you worship evolution in the same unquestioning matter that they worship the bible. And can't you see that tearing someone down because of poor writing skills is about as low as it gets? How withered up has your life become if that is what you resort to?

RBH · 03-10-2006, 05:51 PM

Welcome to Infidels, Aljomafo. I strongly suggest that you read Barefoot Bree's Guide to Good Forum Netiquette. And please do work on those paragraphs. Long posts without appropriate paragraphing are very difficult to parse and understand. The question is not of criticizing writing style merely for the sake of criticizing, it's one of comprehensibility.

Thank you,
RBH, E/C Moderator

03-10-2006, 05:22 PM	#1
Aljomafo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 10	Why evolution as it stands is a lie. The lie of evolution as it stands is the idea that evolution is the random movement of physical material that through it's blind movement and unfeeling co-mingling, coincidentally creates the entire universe. It is preposterous to think that a chaotic system could give birth to anything really, little own the amazing complexity and order of our universe. And if I am a being created by an all together random and chaotic process, why do I look for order in my own life? How could randomness give birth to order? The path my consciousness has taken from birth to today has been deliberate and focused. Even one day reflects this idea: I awake and have breakfast, shower, do my work for the day...etc. I don't approach each day in a random and chaotic way by completely overhauling my behavior for reasons unknown to me, in the hopes of somehow randomly mutating something that will make my life more survivable. How could I live this way? I would most certainly be insane to do this. Yet science ascribes this exact behavior to the evolutionary process. The very process that has created mostly everything. I am only one small human given the gift of life by the God science calls Evolution. Certainly It would be in my best interest to learn from my Mother/Father of Evolution by becoming more random. Would you wake up tommorrow and randomly decide to adopt a new religion because it might help you randomly mutate a third arm to help you with your busy schedule? Of course not. The theory of evolution as it stands now is a blind, deaf, unfeeling and brainless piece of physical matter that lives only to move and consume simply to survive. Surprisingly more apt in describing the behavior of a zombie, than any living thing i've ever examined. It's an idea born not of objective logical thought and reason; but of the blind pride of men who crown themselves the light of the universe, all the while not seeing that the very zombie like behavior they project onto the universe is born of their own dying hearts. If science is responsible at all it will abandon this dead idea, and replace it with a more truthful one: Consciousness and purposeful direction are the foundation of evolution, not physical matter and random movement.

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03-10-2006, 05:41 PM	#4
Aljomafo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 10	Alright, so evolution exists only here on Earth in plants, animals, and humans. So how does the rest work?

03-10-2006, 05:48 PM	#8
Cynner Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 451	Psst...paragraphs. A strawman embedded in some ignorant rambling does not an argument make. Here's a clue, it's not random. WTH has happened in Canada? I was hoping when I become an ExPat, I wouldn't have to leave the hemishpere. Have you guys tapped into our water supply or something?

03-10-2006, 05:50 PM	#9
Aljomafo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 10	You know you call funamentalist christians down to the lowest, without seeing that you worship evolution in the same unquestioning matter that they worship the bible. And can't you see that tearing someone down because of poor writing skills is about as low as it gets? How withered up has your life become if that is what you resort to?

03-10-2006, 05:51 PM	#10
RBH Contributor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 15,407	Welcome to Infidels, Aljomafo. I strongly suggest that you read Barefoot Bree's Guide to Good Forum Netiquette. And please do work on those paragraphs. Long posts without appropriate paragraphing are very difficult to parse and understand. The question is not of criticizing writing style merely for the sake of criticizing, it's one of comprehensibility. Thank you, RBH, E/C Moderator

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