Queen of Swords

Even if I accepted this and if it was supported by the bible...

...then why didn't he just have this "slight scratch"? My guess is because the crucifiction laid more of a guilt trip on people.

Catholic Convert

Jesus sacrifice was to give us a way to avoid Hell. It wasn't a way to ELIMINATE Hell. God will not interfere with the free will of those who desire to spend their eternity there.

Therefore, He did not need to go to Hell forever for All so that nobody goes threre. Hell is still a very real place.
Threre are many Christian doctrines which require more than superficial thinking to grasp or understand them. Immersion in the faith and deep thinking on these matters yields an understanding of them.

capsaicin67

CC: Mm-hm. I've had the supernaturalist immersion as have several others. But perhaps I'm not thinking deeply enough. This is a great place to share deep thinking and see what ideas hold water. Please go on. I'm not sure my thinking has been elevated yet to where I can grasp how alwaysness of God is easier to believe in than alwaysness of universe, etc.

Godless Wonder

Nobody wants to spend eternity in hell. Don't insult us.

Dhaeron

In other words: the good ol' "You have to believe to understand" argument...

Catholic Convert

I disagree, and no insult inteded to anyone here.

Some would rather "rule in Hell than serve in Heaven," or at least would like to think they could.

No, not at all. I understand many don't believe in our Faith, but there is certainly a very superficial understanding of our beliefs and what appear to be contradictions.

Plognark

Emphasis mine. Just curious what your take is on why there is such a staggering array of varied Christian beliefs, nevermind other religions.

How is a person supposed to go about evaluating which one is correct?

Justin Z

Oh. I thought that was just because he's bloody full of himself, and I don't appreciate him telling me that I had just as much to do with that event (fictional or not) as the people who perpetrated it did (fictional or not).

~Justin

Plognark

I think you're ascribing a level of arrogance or conceit that's non existant. Basically a strawman. :huh:

I'm not aware of anyone who's ever uttered this statement as anything but a flippant remark without being serious about the "rule in hell" part.

But what of long time members of the church who lose their faith? Surely it's not a "superficial understanding" that leads to their deconversion...

TySixtus

Yeah I don't get that, either. I was a Catholic for twenty years. My knowledge on the subject wasn't and isn't superficial. In fact, it was my deeper understanding of it and desire to know more that made me face it's abusrdity.

Ty