rlogan

pokin' 'em in de eye wid a stick

is whut it is.



Sounds good to me.

judge

More circular reasoning. Read Pauls letter to Romans. A jew is one who is one inwardly. The real heirs of the faith of Abraham are those who accept Jesus.

You are presupposing that those who are of the faith (and thus the real heirs of the faith of Abraham) are an ethnic or religious group we call jews.

This is not the case, those who accept the saviour that Abraham looked forward to are the children of Abraham.

You are presupposing this is not true in order to charge theft.

Better call the cops Spin. :boohoo:

rlogan

The real Jews are the Christians?

judge

Jesus speaking to some jews in John 8

Abraham is our father," they(some jews) answered.
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did.............................
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

spin

You have a funny idea of what circular reasoning means, ie an idea based on error.

You can believe what you want, but the Jews won't agree with you and they should know: they wrote the literature.

I'm presupposing that the Jews wrote the literature. If I'm wrong, show me where.

This is your religion's justification for misappropriating the Jewish literature. It's not based on the Jewish literature.

If you want to introduce this as a justification for the appropriation of the Jewish literature, then you should clear it with the writers or their natural heirs.

Given the xian trackrecord against the jews, I don't expect them to be sympathetic or honest.


spin

spin

If you want to condemn the Jews you could just as easily quote from Mein Kampf. It would be just as relevant.


spin

judge

I have no wish to condemn jews and I have no wish to condemn eskimos, I have no wish to condemn moslems and I have no wish to condemn buddhists and I have no wish to condemn atheists or Latvians either.
We are all ordinaru people whatever our race or creed.
No one should be condemned more than anyone else on the basis of race or creed.

I point out that being a follower of abrahams faith is about what a person does, not about who their parents are.

What I post is relevant because it shows Jesus Himself indicating to jews that they were not really of Abrahams faith even though they were born jews.

judge

Which jews wrote the literature?
I have a friend who converted to Judaism. Did they write the literature?
They are jewish too!

If someone converts to Judasim do they suddenly have some mysterious connection?
Or are they just an ordinary person like you and I?

LP675

Exactly.
Also, if I could be bothered arguing this one (which I can’t), I would ask him to define ‘Jewish’, and ‘Jews’, and draw to his attention the fact Christianity was originally a Jewish sect, and that Jesus, Paul and the apostles were all Jews.

funinspace

And just as exactly, the New Xians also didn't call anything the OT for at least several hundred years. They too knew them for being Jewish texts.

DK