Crucifiction

The "no true Scotsman" fallacy works only when somebody labels themselves as something. To take your implication further logistically, nobody can ever say that an elephant is not a gnat because that would be comitting the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. The fallacy deals with ideological labels, not factual definitions. Thus, it can be absolutely stated that a human being with God-like powers would not be a "man".

creek

Are you guys serious?
There is only one g.. for Abraham
That is the point.
The real question is: Who is right?
Is Isaac the one who is in favor or is it Ishmael?
Somebody is wrong.
One G.. One right!
:rolling:

Magus55

But a man with God like powers, would still be a man. He would just be a "superman" if you will. If God has the powers that you just listed, what is stopping Him from being a man if He so chooses, while retaining His Godly powers?

knotted paragon

Nothing at all. Abrahamic mythology is not the only place where gods assumed the visage of a man - it happened all the time in many different mythologies. The new testament is just not as interesting as stories from other cultures.

Attempting to argue (what if) whether a god/man would really be a man is kind of self defeating though, since a god incarnate would still have knowledge of his divinity. The very knowledge of divinity would change the perspective of the mangod - his experience incarnate would not be anything like a normal human's.

The story of the new testament mangod is particularly poor as a redemption narrative since its mangod didn't have to suffer any more than the thousands of other Jews who were put to death by Rome for sedition. If the dude were gonna do it up right for "all mankind," he should have at least had the temerity to be unique..

Infinite_Rules got it right, christianity is the same as any other superstition; there are at least as many christian gods as there are christians.

Wiploc

Ah. The no true no true Scottsman fallacy fallacy. :notworthy

crc

Johnny Scholar

ill take a proverbial stab at this. speaking from a former christian point of view and as a current fundamentalist pastor, i think i have some idea of what im talkng about. (dont turn off your ears. indeed, i am now an agnostic.)

the assertion that orthodox christianity is absolutely defendable if you consider the document forged at the counsel of nicea in 325 AD. regardless of the fact that the doctrine of the trinity is undeniably contradictory (three persons, one essence? come on, who are you kidding...) the document states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all comprise One God.

theologians use tricky language to craft their defense. for instance, jesus is the "eternally begotten" son of god. because he is eternally begotten, that means that he was never born; rather, he has, from eternity, submitted himself to the sonship of the Father. therefore, unlike satan, jesus was never created; therefore, he is GOD.

yes, i understand, this makes absolutely no sense. but that's okay. their defense against being labeled absurd is to say that the doctrine is not contradictory; nay, it is merely paradoxical.

besides, god works in mysterious ways. this one is one of my favorites, considering it is the easy, catch-all phrase to use whenever your argument falls to ridiculously incoherent pieces.

since orthodox christianity defines God as your former definition instead of the latter, it follows that god can be 1,000 persons and still be one god if he damn well pleases.

Visionary7

Ummm... Do you want to a step back and chill with what you just said...


I humbly suggest that you purchase or read the KJV bible...You saying Christianity has 4 "gods" is ludricrous to some extent.But that is cool, I'll that slide by...Christianity has 1 God 3 in the Holy Spirit Trinity...My current faith allows me to realize that Christ can be 3 in Trinity, or One at the same time...

It's beyond me....Now I have to send a PM to a lovely admin....I will be i here often....If y'all are evolutionists; I will be posting Creationist arguments at CF. So yall are welcome when my post count gets past the 100 mark......

I have high post count here...I love the Internet Infidels...

AdamWho

There are 4 Gods in Christianity.

Father, Son, Holy Ghost and Satan.
The book of Job convinced me to add satan.

There are MANY demigods in the form of Saints and angels

Visionary7

the Biblical Satan you referenced from Job is an antildeluvian energy..

Satan is God's extreme adversary. So the two aren't exactly "cup of tea" neighbors..What influenced you regarding the book of Job to include that the Biblical Satan is a god in your eyes?

An Inquiring mind wants to know..

AdamWho

In Job, God and Satan are on equal terms.
1. Satan can visit, chat him up and even engage in a little side bet over Job's fate.
2. Satan, in Job has supernatural powers.

Furthermore:
According to current Christian mythology, Satan's domain is the earth and he can pretty much do whatever he wants. You can't go to a fundamentalist church these days without them spending a considerable amount of time worrying about Satan’s growing power or reciting binding spells on Satan. Satan is apparently omnipresent, very powerful and considerably smarter than any non-Christian.

Again:
Satan hangs out with god, and is allowed to use his magical powers to harass humans. Satan has dominion over the earth to the point that Christians constantly have to fight him off and according to Christians is winning the battle for our souls.

Satan sounds like a god on the scale of one of the Greek gods.