Lysimachus

I already gave you a couple URLs, but to be more blunt, it is WAR that these scientists and accredited universities are taking more serious than in the past. Not Ron Wyatt, per say. But WAR is continuing in the legacy that Ron left, so one can only read between the lines.

Here are the URLs again, since you seemed to have missed them:

Embedded Metal Pin in the Garden Tomb

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/metal_pin_main.htm

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/metal_pin_report.htm

Notice the second report especially, a report by Yehiel Zelinger, Research Archaeologist, Israel Antiquities Authorities.

The first link quotes the following:

In preparation for the analysis and in compliance with the regulations of the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), Mr. Peter Wells of the Garden Tomb Association contacted Mr. Jon Seligman, director of Antiquities for Jerusalem. Mr. Seligman, after examining the metal, believed it to be of ancient origin rather than modern. Due to that determination, it was necessary for Wyatt Archaeological Research to obtain permission, not only from the Garden Tomb Association, but also from the IAA….
…. On Tuesday, October 15th at 10:30 A.M. the sample was taken to Hebrew University Institute of earth sciences at Givat Ram. The sample was then opened and analyzed by Mr. Elad Izreali. Micrographs were generated, revealing a central core of almost pure iron inside an outer sheath consisting of almost pure lead.

Ron, from the very beginning, believed it to be a metal pin...one that held a stone into place. Critics for a long time said it was most likely a piece of "shrapnel" and nothing more. Now the tests confirm that Ron's theory of it being pure metal and not shrapnel was right.

Gooch's dad

Bullshit. Handwheels are often made with round holes. Here are some that are available at www.handwheels.com :



Note that picture shows a large handwheel with a square bore and a smaller handwheel with a round bore, which is also nearly identical to the Wyatt fraud. The text right above that picture on the Handwheels Inc. webpage says that they provide:

Now for the rest of your nonsense about that Wyatt fraud photo:
How the hell do you claim that it has a "pure gold" shell? Did anybody take a sample of it, as Boro Nut has already asked you? Did you do some reflectance spectroscopy on the thing? How utterly ridiculous.

Your next piece of horse dooky:



Huh?
How did those square bits suddenly get added to the drawing? That photo of the handwheel on the sea floor doesn't show any square reinforcements.

Man, I simply cannot believe that you're defending Wyatt and his nonsense. That photo is obviously a photo of a recently discarded handwheel. The Gulf is probably chock full of discarded ship parts like that. Get a grip, man, you're making yourself look really silly by trying to claim that is the shell of a gold chariot wheel.

RED DAVE

Wyatt Museum Report on Metal Pin

One chunk of metal and we've got angels.


There is nothing in that report but the confirmation that the piece of metal may be ancient. This proves nothing. By the way, when are you going to come up with one of Wyatt's samples of Jesus' blood?

Delusions. Still have not come up with one archeological institute that supports any of Wyatt's claims. One metal pin doth not huge stone make.

RED DAVE

Lysimachus

Gooch's dad,

Yes, it is possible that one could come to such an erroneous uneducated conclusion if one were to take this wheel as the only piece of "evidence" supporting the grand Exodus. This sort of tunnel-vision research on your part simply wouldn't stand in a court of law. In a court of law, you'd be thrown in jail for attempting to prove Wyatt a fraud. The defendant is always innocent until proven guilty. Until you can prove that Wyatt was a fraud, you have no business in stating Wyatt as a fraud. You state it as "fact". You would lose your case.

You appear very arrogant in your opinion toward this man, and come across as though you know everything about him. However, the fact is you know very little, and therefore it is your duty for you to be the student and me to play the role as the teacher. If you do not accept this, I'm afraid there is little hope that you will have a chance at knowing the truth behind these discoveries. When a person closes their mind, it is a rarity for him or her to ever humble themselves and admit they were wrong.

But for now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are willing to be a student on this matter. If we were to rely on the gold-gilded wheel alone, there would be no such conclusion that a disaster that took the lives of a large Egyptian force ever took place here. We have plenty of other overwhelming evidence with numerous other photographs. If you watch "The Exodus Revealed" video, you will notice that Dr. Lennart Moller sent a robotic underwater camera, and there were numerous coral encrusted unnatural formations. Vivike Ponten, from Stockholm Sweden as well, went diving on the Saudi side and filmed this distinct chariot wheel:



Bear in mind that the conclusion that Nuweiba Beach was the most logical crossing site was formed before the numerous wheels were spotted lieing on the sea-bed directly adjacent to the beach. Imagine this---you're studying the Bible and trying to visualize just where the crossing site might be. You look at a map, and then you see the site where the Bible must be referring to. Then, later you decide to dive in this area and you find chariot remains! Can this be totally coincidental? That all these chariot parts and other remains happen to be scattered over a wide area, from the west side (the coast of the Sinai peninsula) to the east side (the coast of north west Saudi-Arabia) (which implies a very extensive disaster) with a length of approximately 14 km and a width of approximately 5 km, of which the total area covers some 70 km??

An approximate total of around 20 chariot parts have been clearly identified all the way across on this relatively straight line from the east to west side. This bores a deep hole into your steam-ship handwheel theory considering the vast area the remains have been found. This is most certainly compelling evidence for the honest seeker of truth. Can one still doubt that this is enough evidence? Seeing I wouldn't put it past a skeptic, I shall continue:



This photo was taken of a large heaped pile on the underwater scrape yard (some like to call it "underwater land bridge�, but it technically isn't). As you will notice, a human rib cage sits highlighted in yellow quite distinctly. If you will look to the bottom, you will notice two 6-spoked chariot wheels colored in pink.

This is not to mention the fact that human femur bones, cattle bones, as well as HORSE bones have ALL been brought to the surface and carefully analyzed in labs.

These bones have been preserved by a form of petrification.

Dr. Moller states:

“Firstly, most skeletal parts that have ended up in the Red Sea have become petrified if embedded in oxygen free sediments. This entails a form of fossilization. The Red Sea has a high salt content, and contains a great deal of calcium carbonate (CaCO3). The Red Sea is a tropical sea with a high degree of biological activity, and it has an abundance of microscopic organisms which bore into objects. This means that sea water can quickly force its way in, and have an effect on substances that find themselves in the water. This leads to a relatively quick process of petrification; from a geological point of view.�

Here is an illustration for several of the wheels identified at Aqaba:



The wheels image above found in figures 387, 388, the Gold Gilded Wheel, and the wheel standing up on its axle at a 90 degree angle shown earlier in this thread were found on the west side of the underwater bridge, in other words from chariots at the rear of the troops.

In figures 389-382 in the image above, and the following image were found on the east part of the landbridge, which means the front of the troops.


Figure 393: An object completely overgrown with coral. There are strange shapes of the object like a possible body of a chariot, a round wheel like structure and a probabl axle standing straight up with the possible remains of a spoke and parts of the hub.

You will also notice that the circular shape of the hub can be seen in Figures 389 and 390 (the middle wheel two images above).

Compare the circular shape with the forms of hubs found in this picture:


Figure 374: Hub caps from Egyptian wheels of a more solid character.

Several more images showing twisted wreckage can be seen in "The Exodus Case" book, however I've burnt myself out on scanning so many images. Perhaps I'll show you them some other time. But I will tell you one thing, this wreckage is clearly distinquishable from other regular coral. Their are box shapes, round-wheel shapes, and even shapes of human bones and axels.

If the gold-gilded wheel Ron found lieing on the sea-bed is a steam-ship handwheel, then tell me, what sort of explanation are you going to give for the rest of the coral-encrusted wheels? As you very well know, coral does not completely replace the molecules on metal handwheels. Ron actually attempted to remove the wheel with his hand, but it was so fragile he decided to leave it on the sea-bed and not disturb it. One of his greatest wishes was to bring it to the surface, but he was never able to, nor does WAR yet have the sufficient funds for sophisticated salvaging equipment.

Our conclusion is formed on the overall picture--of which you are unwilling to perceive (hopefully not incapable).

Once again, based on the sitings of all the wheels, the hypothesis is that this is a gold-venered chariot wheel. It may be partly silver, who knows for sure. However, if this wheel is a chariot wheel with a gold (or partly silver) covering, coral would not completely encapsulate it. Do notice that some coral is growing from within the center of the gold-gilded wheel. It has been lieing in the silt, and has only one coral growing on it. The diameter is approximately one meters. A wooden wheel covered in gold would obviously leave openings for coral to bore into the wood.--though this in itself is not proof that the interior is made of wood, as coral does attach itself to metal occasionally. What helps the gold-gilded wheel too from not being covered in more coral is due to the fact that it is partly burried in the silt.

With your pure metal hand-wheels, there would be no decomposition to the extent that the numerous other wheels have exhibited with pure coral in the shapes of wheels.

Moller states:

"The wheel is very fragile, since the wooden remains have decomposed to a great extent. It is known from inscriptions that gilded chariots existed. There is an inscription concerning Thutmosis III (18th dynasty), which speaks of golden chariots in many different situations. This is repeated several times in the document." L. Moller, The Exodus Case, p.211.

This document is found in this source: The Ancient Near East (1958) vol 1., p 175-183, Editor J.B. Pritchard, Princeton University Press, Princeton, USA.

The gold-gilded wheel is lieing on its frontside, with the backside facing up. The studs are on the frontside.

As you can see, they are clearly chariot wheels. We have 4 spoked, 6 spoked, and 8 spoked all within the area of 70km as stated above. It is remarkable that they happen to be EXACTLY across Nuweiba, isn’t it? Yet there is no trace of chariot remains anywhere else in the Red Sea.

Wow, what sort of doozy steamship would have thrown their heavy metal handwheels this far apart from one another?


And I say the same for you. I cannot believe that you are deluded enough to fall for the lies that have been spread against these discoveries. You're the one that's going to have to get the grip, not me sir. I know a lot about what's going on, and I keep in close contact with WAR and a number of their associates. And getting a grip doesn't mean you must believe in the discoveries, it means getting your facts straight.

Wallener

If coral can't grow on "pure metal", why are reef preservation groups sinking metal ships to encourage coral growth?

Wallener

I just did a quick google search for pictures of coral-encrusted (gold and silver) coins and it came back with too many hits to list. How can that be possible if coral can't grow on "pure metal"?

Wallener

Nuweiba is a National Geographic featured scuba diving destination because, amongst its other charms, its waters are filled with shipwrecks.

Lysimachus

Wallener, I edited the part of coral growing on metal before you posted that.

Lysimachus

Coral will grow on metal, providing their is residue on the metal. However, coral does not bore into the metal itself. Only on the residue attached to the metal.

The 6 and 8 spoked chariot wheels are in no way pure metal. They are falling apart, with parts of them completely broken off. When some of the divers grabbed a hold of these wheels, they would just fall apart in their hands.

Lysimachus

And I don't doubt that. But it's the grand picture that leads me to my conclusion. We don't just have these randomly scattered wheels on the underwater scrapeyard alone, we also have what we believe to be Solomon's pillars commemorating the crossing on each coast. The wheels are directly adjacent to the first pillar on the Sinai Peninsula's side. The Pillar on the west side (Saudi Arabian) was taken away, but replaced by a marker.

In my mind, these pillars could represent "the legs of Christ" as memorials for the Lord delivering his children. Dr. Moller has several images of pillars found in Ashkelon, on the Mediterranean coast of present day Israel that look almost identical to the pillar discovered on the side of the Sinai Peninsula at Nuweiba beach. The similarities include shape, height and diameter, material (granite), lack of decorations, and a simple border high up on the pillar.

It's just too overwhelming when you evaluate the Wadi Watir (entangled in the land, "wilderness hath shut them in"), the massive beach that can hold approximately 2-3 million people, the perfect gradient levels of the underwater sandbridge/scrapeyard that would allow for a perfect crossing (not too steep) providing the water was removed, the two pillars on either side, the wheel, horse, human, and other remains found on this scrapeyard, and then the fact that Mount Sinai must be in Arabia according to Galations 4:25. When all the data is viewed on a grand whole, an overwhelming picture starts to immerge, and a new light starts to shine on the Exodus mystery.