Kapyong

Gday,

What?

First you said the Bible had NOT changed.

Now,
you say
"people who did not accept God's word as written
changed the Bible to fit their beliefs".

You just refuted YOUR OWN argument !

The Bible HAS changed - we all know it.


Like I said - the bible was CHANGED.
I showed numerous examples - you IGNORED them all.



In fact, the mss show it's true and based on facts.
The facts are clear - many changes were made to the bible - you ignored them all.

Your entire approach here is to PREACH what you BELIEVE, and simply ignore the facts that show you wrong.




God made no such promise,
and even if he did - he FAILED DISMALLY as the changes and edits to the ms show clearly.

You said the bible had never changed, but you keep referring to changes and edits ?!

Do you even know what you own argument is?

Sai

This is flat out not true:

For over 100 year scientists from different decades and eras have proclaimed 'truths' with many trumoping previous 'truths'.

The only time in science you will hear someone use the word truth would be in something like "it is true that this is the data that i got".


This is also false:

10 years ago you said this other set of facts were the truth,now you are saying those were lies and thisis the turth. Sorry but don't buy it.'

We dont buy anything you want to sell by telling lies.

false again...If it wasn't then we might as well just kill ourselves for then there would be no hope, no heaven , no salvation.

so why dont I kill myself?

If God or the Bible changed then we could not have confidence in either andthat would be a cruel faith to be part of. So the Bible is true, it does not change because God and His word has not changed

So if something does not change then it is true. Ridiculous reasoning!!!
The book of mormon and the koran are also true then. So are the writing on the ancient egyptian tomb walls.

What makes you think you can advance a cause with things that are not true, and bad logic?

Earl IV

:constern02:

The delusion is strong with this one

[ignore]

Newton's Cat

A bit off context .. but here goes:

The bible has changed - its got more violent!

Genesis 3:15

King James

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; IT shall BRUISE thy head, and thou shalt bruise HIS heel.

New International

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; HE will CRUSH your head, and you will strike HIS heel."

The meaning has changed from that of God-driven bad-feeling between parents, which gives the father a "head-ache" to which he responds by chasing away the eldest son (the Christ, the "scapegoat") to a scene where the eldest son (i.e. the Christ) responds to the parental conflict by attacking the father, who then violently drives away his son (presumably just before he drops dead from his "crushed" head).

There's lots of this type of stuff in the various Fundie inspired translations. (The people who produced the New International Version definitely ain't "Kosher"!)

mountainman

Freedom of belief.

19th century Papal archaeologists such as De Rossi gave the world fake inscriptions so that the belief in the false history of christianity, the HJ and the relevance of the popes and bishops and deacons and pastors and reverands and other hangers-on will never die. Who was the idiot who allowed the C14 boys into the field for christ's sake?

Sounds like God made the Believers' brain a redundant organ.

lpetrich

You people may enjoy reading this essay: Isaac Asimov - The Relativity of Wrong

How so?

Now why don't you give us some rule for telling the difference between the literal and the nonliteral parts of the Bible? Preferably a non-self-serving one.

Shows that the Xian God is pure fiction, otherwise that entity would have skipped something as fragile and error-prone as written documents and communicated directly to our consciousnesses in plain, simple, unambiguous terms.

:rolling:

When an omnimax entity could make our bodies invulnerable, like whatever bodies we are supposed to have in Heaven.

And announce with a deep booming voice that It has really been responsible.

Don't make me laugh. How much Biblical errancy do you want me to list?

For starters, there's a lot more to science than medicine.

Like...

The Bible doesn't explain how to correct eyesight -- you need the science of optics for that.

Like how?

It's rather plain to me that the writers of the Bible had believed that the Earth is flat and that the sky is a bowl overhead.

Except that there are oodles of counterexamples.

If the god you have in mind is 100% fiction, then that is a non-issue.

The Bible does not exactly describe falsification or controlled experiments. It does not even describe any logical fallacies. Aristotle was WAY ahead of the Bible there -- he even wrote a book on fallacies.

We live longer, healthier lives than in the past, we can travel and communicate MUCH faster than in the past, we can build much bigger buildings than in the past and have more convenient clothes than in the past, etc.

We need not lose sleep over a comet coming by, because we recognize that it is an interplanetary iceberg that follows a regular orbit, not some bizarre omen. We also need not lose sleep over a lunar eclipse -- it isn't some monster eating the Moon or some sorcerer making it disappear.

We aren't anything close to being omnipotent or omniscient.

Seems like a bloodthirsty monster of a god.

No we didn't. People in universities and industrial labs did a LOT of research into how to make the various computer that you are using. The raw materials did NOT come to us ready-made -- in fact, they are often very unsuitable for computer duty.

Consider the copper in many of your computer's wires. Copper in the environment is seldom copper metal but various copper compounds -- copper oxides and sulfides and carbonates. It's necessary to dig it out of the ground and then refine it to get the copper metal.

God hasn't exactly been poofing copper ingots into existence lately.

archaeologist

First off a simple statement:

The truth does not change, if science keeps changing then it cannot be trusted to have the truth nor the ability to find it. One never knows with science. With God, one knows whatthe truth is.

Second a limited response:

He only has to preserve one.


This is an old charge that was never proven true. The Bible has never taught the world to be flat and other such things. To charge such is following a bad comprehension of the text.


Those are secular constructs and can be dismissed.

1. That is debatable, given the high rate of unhealthy eating (fast and junk food) the use of pesticides and other poisons to protect crops in the modern age, and so on.

2. So? Privacy is eroded and people destroy lives by quickly spreading false rumors and so on. This is not a benefit.

3. Yet none of them have survived for 5,000 years and are subject to planes flying into them killing thousands of people.

4. Are you sure about that?

5. Neither did the ancients. Yet you cannot speak for all modern societies especially the stone age ones.

6. neither did the ancients (same reason)

I am not deluded and it would help you unbelievers to talk to the people that the missionaries met and meet in other countries. They know all too well about the supernatural. (your dismissal of it only reflects badly upon you)

archaeologist

I am not preaching and you have not shown me to be wrong. You have yet to produce one fact that says so, all you have done is put your opinion to paper.


Which only supports my position and tells you thatyou need to look elswhere for your answers. Science isn't getting the job done.

Because you are too afaid to find out that the Bible is correct and it would be too late for you to change your mind at that point.

I didn't say 'something' I said the 'truth' big difference and stop trying to make me say something i didn't.

Yet you use a generalization to try an dprove a specific. Yes people change the Bible but then it is no longer the Bible or God's word because a human changed it to fit their ideaology. God's word, and the Bible, have not changed, no matter how hard men try.

Deus Ex

This is rich.

Everything that you think you know about God comes from a collection of human books that often contradict each other. Let me stress that again: a collection of human written books. There is not the slightest evidence for a deity having written or superintended the writing of the books of the bible.

By what criteria have you determined that the protestant bible is the Word of a deity? How do you know that a deity is not behind the writing of the Quran, the Avesta, or Hindu Scriptures? What methodology do you use to determine that a book has been written by God?

archaeologist

So you hav the gift of reading other people's minds even when you have never met the person. You would be wrong about that, as God is also known through his creative act, his miracles, His answering of prayers. You would also be wrong about those books contradicting each other as well.

You can't demote the Bible to a human book for it does not work and if you do a real study you would see that there are no contradictions in it.

I do not have to make the criteria, God has already done that.

Besides the fact that the Quran stole material from the Old TEstament, besides the fact that history, archaeology, science cannot prove the Bible untrue and actually show it is, there is the simple reasonthat the only scriptures or religious writings that are attacked constantly or adapted for other cultic works is the Bible. this has gone on for over 2, 000 years and no other religious writings get that honor.

That tells you something right there.

Do not need a methodology. The Bible is not science and believing it does not follow scientific rules but God's. You take it by faith then you see it in action by the aforementioned reasons for knowing God.