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BigJim · 03-31-2006, 01:37 PM

It was featured pretty prominantly on cnn.com's front page yesterday.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/03/30....ap/index.html

Angrillori · 03-31-2006, 01:51 PM

Thread in progress.

I found it pretty interesting though. Not only didn't prayer help, but knowing you were being prayed for actually made it worse!

ROFL!

christ-on-a-stick · 03-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Meep, sorry 'bout duplicating... I don't get "up here" often enough anymore I guess and posted without checking first.

Clivedurdle · 03-31-2006, 02:59 PM

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The complications were minor, and doctors surmised that they could have been caused by the increased stress on patients worried that their conditions were so bad they needed prayers.

Iatrogenesis is doctor induced ill health.

I propose ichthyogenesis for prayer induced ill health!!

MonCapitan2002 · 03-31-2006, 03:40 PM

I am not surprised at all. Ther eis an old saying that nothing fails like prayer. While I think prayer can have a placebo affect, I think that is pretty much all its good for.

ManIsGod · 03-31-2006, 06:20 PM

Absolutely NO surprise. At best “to pray” is a placebo effect to those that hear them.

M

River · 03-31-2006, 06:30 PM

The study is still inconclusive.

What if G-d only accepts specific types of prayers? at specific

times? perhaps by specific people?

thebeave · 03-31-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by River

The study is still inconclusive.

What if G-d only accepts specific types of prayers? at specific

times? perhaps by specific people?

Then it seems to me he's just a big fucking useless prick, given that he's supposed to be loving and omnipotent.

DanBZ · 03-31-2006, 08:43 PM

Actyally, that's one of my favorite pieces of evidence against prayer. They say that God answers all prayers, but he says yes to some and no to others. Whether he says yes or no is totally random. So what's more reasonable and fits Occam's Razor better: that God is making decisions randomly or that the outcomes are JUST RANDOM?

River · 03-31-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DanBZ

Actyally, that's one of my favorite pieces of evidence against prayer. They say that God answers all prayers, but he says yes to some and no to others. Whether he says yes or no is totally random. So what's more reasonable and fits Occam's Razor better: that God is making decisions randomly or that the outcomes are JUST RANDOM?

well, everything in nature is more or less random.

Entropy must increase.

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03-31-2006, 01:37 PM	#11
BigJim Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Stepford, CT Posts: 4,296	It was featured pretty prominantly on cnn.com's front page yesterday. http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/03/30....ap/index.html

03-31-2006, 01:51 PM	#12
Angrillori Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: A world less bright without WinAce. Posts: 7,482	Thread in progress. I found it pretty interesting though. Not only didn't prayer help, but knowing you were being prayed for actually made it worse! ROFL!

03-31-2006, 01:59 PM	#13
christ-on-a-stick Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 7,116	Meep, sorry 'bout duplicating... I don't get "up here" often enough anymore I guess and posted without checking first.

03-31-2006, 03:40 PM	#15
MonCapitan2002 Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: --- Posts: 10,496	I am not surprised at all. Ther eis an old saying that nothing fails like prayer. While I think prayer can have a placebo affect, I think that is pretty much all its good for.

03-31-2006, 06:20 PM	#16
ManIsGod Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Third rock from the sun Posts: 532	Absolutely NO surprise. At best “to pray” is a placebo effect to those that hear them. M

03-31-2006, 06:30 PM	#17
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	The study is still inconclusive. What if G-d only accepts specific types of prayers? at specific times? perhaps by specific people?

03-31-2006, 08:43 PM	#19
DanBZ Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 245	Actyally, that's one of my favorite pieces of evidence against prayer. They say that God answers all prayers, but he says yes to some and no to others. Whether he says yes or no is totally random. So what's more reasonable and fits Occam's Razor better: that God is making decisions randomly or that the outcomes are JUST RANDOM?

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