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bacht · 07-23-2009, 07:05 AM

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You don't want to go there Joseph, the OT writers practiced pseudepigraphy centuries before the Christians.

There is no scripture on this planet more honest than the Hebrew. Contrastingly, totally nothing can be proven of the Gospels. Have you checked the veracity of the NT?

Yes we're familiar with your idolization of the Hebrew scriptures. The NT writers had a bigger challenge, convincing the whole world that a truly unique event had transpired in Palestine: the death and resurrection of the Son of God. The Hebrew writers didn't even believe in afterlife until late in the first millenium bce. Except for monotheism their religion was not greatly different from their neighbours, and we don't really know when the old polytheistic practices finally died out (maybe Josiah's era maybe later).

spamandham · 07-23-2009, 07:54 AM

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For your preferred book, you claim that the mere mention of a name, such as Adam or the name of a mountain, proves everything.

You left something vital out. This referred not to a name but that Adam is the 'oldest' name on record,

The name 'Adam' is not the oldest name on record. The name 'Scorpion' has been carbon dated to thousands of years older than the oldest known mention of Adam. The book you worship is simply wrong.

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and Mount Arafat is 'first' recorded in Genesis.

This is simply false. 'Uruatri' (the name from which 'Ararat' is derived), is carbon dated in the archaeological record much earlier than Ararat.

Joe, who are you trying to convince with all these nonsense claims?

spin · 07-23-2009, 08:24 AM

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Joe, who are you trying to convince with all these nonsense claims?

Wait until he starts babbling stuff about alphabetical languages. That's when you wonder if you might soon need a rabies injection.

spin

IamJoseph · 07-23-2009, 09:28 PM

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The NT writers had a bigger challenge, convincing the whole world that a truly unique event had transpired in Palestine:

Judea. The fictional name of Palestine came 40 years later, and it was dumped on the Jewish homeland.

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The Hebrew writers didn't even believe in afterlife until late in the first millenium bce.

The hebrew bible is not based on Belief.

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Except for monotheism their religion was not greatly different from their neighbours, and we don't really know when the old polytheistic practices finally died out (maybe Josiah's era maybe later).

Monotheism is the greatest equation in the universe and the only one which stood the test of time. 4000 years and still going strong.

IamJoseph · 07-23-2009, 09:30 PM

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Joe, who are you trying to convince with all these nonsense claims?

Wait until he starts babbling stuff about alphabetical languages. That's when you wonder if you might soon need a rabies injection.

spin

If your so clever how come you never pointed how his spinology of history: calling 30 CE Judea as Palestine! :wave:

IamJoseph · 07-23-2009, 09:31 PM

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You left something vital out. This referred not to a name but that Adam is the 'oldest' name on record,

The name 'Adam' is not the oldest name on record. The name 'Scorpion' has been carbon dated to thousands of years older than the oldest known mention of Adam. The book you worship is simply wrong.

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and Mount Arafat is 'first' recorded in Genesis.

This is simply false. 'Uruatri' (the name from which 'Ararat' is derived), is carbon dated in the archaeological record much earlier than Ararat.

Joe, who are you trying to convince with all these nonsense claims?

Thanks for your proof. That was the best part of your post.

spamandham · 07-23-2009, 09:57 PM

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Thanks for your proof. That was the best part of your post.

You're welcome? :huh:

IamJoseph · 07-25-2009, 04:02 AM

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You left something vital out. This referred not to a name but that Adam is the 'oldest' name on record,

The name 'Adam' is not the oldest name on record. The name 'Scorpion' has been carbon dated to thousands of years older than the oldest known mention of Adam. The book you worship is simply wrong.

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and Mount Arafat is 'first' recorded in Genesis.

This is simply false. 'Uruatri' (the name from which 'Ararat' is derived), is carbon dated in the archaeological record much earlier than Ararat.

Joe, who are you trying to convince with all these nonsense claims?

Hard proof please? Translations don't impact. Though this does not negate Genesis being one of the earliest record of a historical item, which does impact on this report being a myth, or as stated, false.

premjan · 07-25-2009, 08:46 AM

Shouldn't it be possible to admire Judaism or Jewish culture without constantly trying to prove it is the oldest? I'm not sure it is good because it is so old. Or that the best bits are really old.

Toto · 07-25-2009, 09:34 AM

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Hard proof please?

That's what everyone here wants from you. You make all sorts of wild claims without a shred of documentation.

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premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	Shouldn't it be possible to admire Judaism or Jewish culture without constantly trying to prove it is the oldest? I'm not sure it is good because it is so old. Or that the best bits are really old.

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