MagiNoir

There were no eyewitness accounts of Jesus and his piercings.
His story could have got mixed up with older stories to make Jesus more important.
You wouldn't want write about the son of god without some embellishments surely.
When you read the gospels, don't you notice there is very little depth, a couple of weak miracles, and a couple of profound speaches. Then he was executed for heresy. Quite disappointing for the son of the such a so called magnificent god. Though his stories aren't that impressive either. Talking bushes - pah. :Cheeky:

Apikorus

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Jesus reputedly boasted on several occasions that he would ascend to heaven (Mat 26:64, John 3:13, 6:22, Luke 18:33). What does Isaiah write in 14:13-15?

Then of course there is the fact that Jesus' lineage proceeds by way of the cursed branch of Coniah (see Mat 1 and Jer 22:28-29). Isaiah 14:18-19 states,

Note also how this passage alludes to the fact that Jesus' body was pierced (John 19:34), as well as to the fact that Jesus did not have his own tomb. (John Dominic Crossan thinks his body was probably eaten by dogs.) Hence, this is an astonishing triple prophecy!

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Darfius

A) Yes it is. Or do you honestly think David is talking about himself? Do you think it's coincidental that it sounds like this guy was crucified? i.e. dry mouth, bones out of joint, pierced hands and feet, casting lots for his clothes...hmmmmmmmm.

B) No, it's not a mistranslation. When used as a verb, the word for lion means pierced. Hint: What does a lion's tooth do to you when he bites you?

I would go back and look for prophecies if I hadn't been prepared, too, wouldn't you? If I saw a man come back from the dead and validate His claims, I would look pretty damn hard. Now, does looking make what they find somehow less important? If so, explain how. And by the way, what evidence do you have that anyone aside from Matthew was that interested in drawing parallels to OT prophecy?

The rest of your post was just you making assertions and expecting us to believe them because you have a shiny Mod tag. How about some evidence, big guy?

gregor2

And thanks for the hebrew translation according to Darius.

You'll pardon me if I reject your quite compelling "oh no it's not" defense of Psalms.

And a lion takes his hammer and nails your palms to a tree?

Angrillori

ROFL! I love this!

Hint: What does a Lion's paw do when it steps on you? Therefore 'Lion' when used as a verb must mean "squash."

Or how about:
Hint: How does a Lion roar? Therefore when used as an adverb, the word for the noun 'Lion' must mean "Loudly."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Darfius

I recommend you get a Concordance and stop relying on cheap website translations. By the way, my name is Darfius.

Amaleq13

Was David a man being pursued by his enemies, praying to God for deliverance from death by the sword, and (apparently along with others - "they") hungry, weary, thirsty and ragged? That is apparently who is offering this prayer.

No, I think it is a contrived interpretation contrary to the prayer as a whole. As was pointed out in the links you apparently didn't read, the one offering the prayer appears to be suffering for quite some time to the point of starvation and afraid of being killed by a sword.

Again, in one of the links offered, you will find that the "bones out of joint" is better understood as a reference to being extremely starved and the "pierced hands and feet" is better understood as having them bitten or torn apart by dogs/lions.

He tears you apart which is distinctly different from the sort of wound one obtains from a nail.

A request for supporting argument or evidence is legitimate but your accusation is entirely out of line for someone so relatively new to the forum and utterly without justification. You are wrong to confuse a conclusion based on numerous previous discussions with an argument from personal authority.

Darfius

Reading from the NIV, I can not see what you are talking about with 'they'. What verse? David was a king when he wrote Psalms, so no, it cannot fit him. So who is he talking about?

'Sword' can be understood as 'execution' in this instance. When, in judgement in the OT, the phrase 'die by the edge of the sword' is used, the people were not always killed with a sword. But it was a phrase used to stress that it was execution.

I don't understand what you're talking about here. When I look at an English translation of the Septuagint (Greek translation of the OT made in the 3rd century BC), I see what the phrases are commonly translated as today. You seem to be asserting mistakes in translation when there are none.

My question was when a lion's singular tooth entered your flesh, not when he eats you. Clearly it 'pierces' your skin.

And he was wrong to assume that every reader would be familiar with 'numerous previous discussions'.

Amaleq13

Darfius,

To understand the translation references, you need to review the links offered in this post.

This has no connection to reality since lions tend to have more than one tooth and tend to do considerably more than daintily poke a hole in one's flesh. In context, the man is describing his hands and feet being savaged by wild animals. There is no actual correspondence to a man being crucified.

I don't think he made that assumption but I'll let him speak for himself. Like I said, your request for more information is as legitimate as your accusation is unjustified.

gregor2

Darfius

I've made no assertions of translations, you have. But you've provided no bases for an argument, only cited to a general Bible on the web. Too superficial.

And is Jesus also prophetically called lower than a man - a worm - earlier in the mythical prayer of mythical David.

And I'd be interested in seeing a reference to any archeological evidence for the very existence of David - as opposed to a mythical figure like Hector or Agamemnon.