Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Yes, you are right, the earliest manuscripts attest that Jesus had massive crowds of thousands of people listening to him, and he controlled the weather, rose people from the dead, multiplied loaves and fishes, turned water into wine, conversed with Satan, walked on water, cast out demons, healed paralysis, healed leprosy, and resurrected himself from the grave. I know you would object that either all of it is true or none of it should be considered true, and I simply don't care to argue with that position. You win. Go now.

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Yes, except you don't need to date the gospels into the second century. Evidence first, theory next.

Originally Posted by aa5874

I have nothing to win.

I am just pointing out that your claim that Jesus was midly influential is really not true based on the NT and church writings.

Now, even if you believe the NT and church writers wrote fiction, your claim that Jesus was mildly influential was manufactured by you since no other sources wrote a single word about Jesus of the NT that is credible.

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

My claim that Jesus was mildly influential is based on the proven fact that the overwhelming majority of people today and throughout history were mildly influential.