Magus55

Was I talking about Judaism? We are discussing Christianity, not Judaism. And so you are stating that Hitler will get to enjoy the afterlife? Possibly be in Heaven if there is one? No justice, no redemption, no point in following the law, no point in obeying God?

Mageth

See the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_name_of_God_in_Judaism

As to the Documentary Hypothesis:

According to the Documentary Hypothesis, Gen 1-2:3 is from the "P" (the Priestly source) which provided the first chapter of Genesis, and which used El or Elohim to refer to God until Exodus 3.

Gen 2-3 (and much of the rest of Genesis) is from the "J" (Jahwist or Jerusalem source) which used YHWH to refer to God.

The two separate myths were later combined into the book we now call "Genesis", along with other stories from the various sources (there were four, J, E (Elohist, or Ephraimic, which used "El" until Exodus), P (Priestly, which used "YHWH") and D (Deuteronomist, which used "YHWH").

See the following link:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jepd.html

or, better yet, see Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Friedman.

This link provides an analysis of the Flood account according to the Documentary Hypothesis:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jp-flood.html

Plognark

My irony meter just exploded in my face

Magus55

Its impossible to win on this board. Atheists will always be right, because they will always have tons of people backing them up to go against the theist. All the atheist has to do is state something, and everyone backs them up - regardless if its right or not.

Mageth

Didn't notice the little "smiley", huh? But I'd note that in saying "Atheists are always right, even when they are wrong", you are implying that your interpretation is correct and mine is incorrect. Pot, kettle, black.

In any case, the Documentary Hypothesis fits what we see in the Torah quite nicely. It's a good explanation for the various conflicts and contradictions that are seen there. You really should read the material I provided above and make up your own mind. It's convinced me that the Documentary Hypothesis is correct.

Mageth

I backed my interpretation up. Now back up your "right" interpretation.

Magus55

Its one explanation, doesn't mean its the right explanation. I don't see it as a contradiction. The explanation that Gen 1 is an overview of God's creation, while Gen 2 is in more detail from humanities perspective works for me.

Lord Emsworth

And you?

You are saying that Hitler, should he have had accepted Christ (and it doesn't matter when), is going to heaven, too.

And isn't by accepting Christ everything forgiven? So what is the point in following the law etc?

Mageth

It's El or Elohim in chapter one, and YHWH in chapter 2. Not the same name.


As to Jehovah, from the Wikipedia link I provided above:

cjack

What, exactly, are you trying to "win" here?

It seems you're just getting your panties in a wad because we refuse to accept your arguments which are ALL based upon "because the Bible says so and the Bible is the Word of God therefore nothing can possibly ever prove me wrong because I use the Bible!"

If you think you can "win" an argument here by invoking your holy book as the Ultimate Truth, then perhaps you need to seriously reconsider why you're here.