Johnny Skeptic

Proof is not the issue. Probability is the issue. It is not possible for any being to prove who he is. Can President Bush prove that he is not an alien? Of course he can't. If a being is provably able to influence peoples' life after death, which the being in my hypothetical scenario is able to do, it would not make any difference if he was a God or not. If someone gives you a cookie, what difference does it make who he is?

Logically, my hypothetical scenario would be a much better bet than the Bible.

Valdemar

I said "creating a cookie," not giving me a cookie or baking me a cookie. It would show proof of power, which would be a good start.

Obviously, your scenario is much better.

ksen

My knee-jerk reaction Tigers! is to agree with you and state that I read Johnny's post as being the height of arrogance.

But on second thought I think Johnny is just doing what Christians throughout the centuries have done, accepted evidence or proofs that were to their own liking.

I'm a christian. For me God has provided enough evidence that I am comfortable trusting my eternal destiny with him.

Johnny is an agnostic. For him God hasn't provided enough evidence for Johnny to reliably change his mind. How can I find fault with Johnny going through a process we all go through?

Rigel

THAT statement is the height of arrogance. Typical christian delusion of superiority, that they have some inside information that others don't get.

Well WE DO GET IT AND REJECT IT. Your bible is so full of inaccuracies and contradictions that no competent high school student would have written it, let alone the supposed omniscient and omnipotent ruler and creator of the universe.

If you are happy wallowing in your ignorance and superstition, so be it. Just don't expect thinking people to swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Johnny Skeptic

If a God exists, it is reasonable to assume that he withholds evidence that would convince some people to believe that he exists if they were aware of it. I said "believe," not "know." The Bible does not require anyone to know anything, only to believe some things.

Harry Bosch

I'm okay with what Ksen said. I didn't find it arrogant. I found it far more honest than most creationists that I know. We all have different standards. You have to accept the fact that millions and millions of people believe that they have a personal relationship with God.

Now, I started life off as a fundie, then become agnostic, and now am an athiest. For me, this is because I haven't found enough evidence to satisfy myself that there is a god. But, I don't find the reason to belittle people who have different standards of evidence than I do.

Johnny Skeptic

I may be absent for an extended period of time. I am interested in writing a book or a screenplay.

Harry Bosch

What kind of a book?

ksen

Have a nice day Rigel. :wave:

ksen

I wish you much success!

Don't forget to credit the little people.