Mughal

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1048
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=759

queser

Mughal

The more you learn the more you will find, you know near to nothing then you might realise (if you are lucky) how wrong you have been to make judgements.

Read well

Peace

Mughal

Dear queser,

greetings and thank you for your comments.

It is reality of this life that we assess or make judgements all the time about all things as and when we need to, from the very day we are born. Likewise we judge things always regardless we know about things least or most.

What is important though is that we do not shut our minds to learning new things about the same and change our minds if the situation so demands.

What you are doing is suggesting that I do not make judgements concerning islam because you asume that I am wrong but you are free to do so yourself and that is because you assume yourself to be right. Only if you were postponing the judgement altogether regardless islam was right or wrong that then perhaps you could be right in suggesting the same for me.

Anyway thanks and all the best.

lpetrich

Mughal, if you have not already done so, you may want to peruse this thread on the Koran's origins; especially my comments on that subject. I discuss in detail the question of the Aramaic origin of the Koran's text, including houris as mistranslated raisins, and conclude that it's well-supported.

Mughal

Dear Ipetrich,

Thank you very much for the link and yes, I have gone through it. I do not think that there is any doubt in anyone's mind that the quran is very similar in information to jewish and christian scriptures and other earlier writings. The problem remains that muslims believe that the jewish and christian scriptures too were divine till they were corrupted by their followers. So what we need to show the muslims is that the quran is not at all the word of god and so any information it contains which is also found in the earlier scriptures is therefore copied of them. It is therfore important for us to examine the structure and the information of the quran to see if muslim claims about the quran hold true.

It is therefore important to create a list of defects we find with the quran and islamic teachings with respect to an acceptable criterion. This is where in comes the site I have provided the links to. On this site we are examining islam as it is believed by various muslim sects. We ex-muslims= apostates of islam have tried very hard for last few years to bring so called real islam to the attention of the world. It is only now that we are beginning to see people discussing islam. Before this anyone who said anything about islam which muslims did not like was forced to apologise and not to do so ever again and that was the end of the matter. Our websites were forced to shut down because muslims used to complain to website hosters. This has stopped to some degree in nonmuslim world although the idea continues in muslim world. There is still blasphemy law in muslim states and people are put in prisons or even killed for being critical of islam. So there is a need for yet a lot more pressure on muslim world to open up, allow and accept religious criticism as norm and as a basic human right.

Anyway thanks again and all the best.

River

--Mughal

The more I read your threads....the more I realize that you have nothing new or meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Every work you have cited to date is some form of " theoretical speculation". You have not given any original thought to composing your thread. You simply cut and paste. There are hundreds and hundreds of theories on how the Holy Qur'an was composed. None of these theories are complete....all of them have holes and are buggy.... and different scholars are scratching their heads...trying unsuccessfully to complement them all.......


----River

Space Chef

So therefore the only logical answer is that it's a divine revelation.

By the way, Mughal, I dig your site.

River

Well if the so-called scholars and skeptics can not agree on any one unifying theory....then yes, by default it is Divine Revelations.


----River

Mughal

Dear river,

greetings and thank you for your response.

It is true that scholar do not agree on any particular theory as regard the origin of the quran but neither they in case of any other allegedly divine scripture, does that mean all the alleged divine scriptures are truly divine? Please think about it. On the contrary I am pointing out the defects as I see them in islamist claims, which prove the quran a manmade book. It is true that I cannot pin point the real author/s of the quran but it is equally true that the quran is not authored by god either as becomes obvious to anyone who examines the quranic text, context and its history as told by muslims themselves. If you dear friend think that you can prove the quran divine, please by all means go ahead.

Thank you for taking time for going through my threads but would you please kindly explain the context or purpose of my writings as you understood it? That might help me understand your response.

Regards and all the best.

Mughal

Dear space chef,

greetings and thank you very much for visiting my site.

http://www.religionandsecularism.gq....ite_links.html

The reason I started my own site was because I used to write a lot on ISIS site a few years back and friends there suggested that I should have my own site. I am also asked to write a book but I have not decided on that yet.

best wishes with regards.