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EarlFlynn · 06-08-2004, 10:02 AM

In response to the OP...

1) I'm not stupid
2) I'm not expendable
3) And I'm not going!

...to fall for an obvious myth.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by winstonjen

If you weren't born as a believer, then you weren't a believer for your whole life.

I didn't say I was.

Faith · 06-08-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

BTW, M or M, if "God" never changes, why'd he change his name from El to YHWH, from chapter one to chapter two of "his" book, one might ask?

You didn't ask me, Magdlyn, but my understanding is that El and Elohim, also used in reference to angels, are common terms for God while Yahweh is a proper and personal name for God Almighty, the one true eternal God and Creator of all things. So the use of separate names doesn't indicate a changing God, but is merely a shift from common to proper name.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenofSwords

And yet Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect."

This must be the dozenth time the bible has contradicted you.

Read the previous verses. Our goals is to strive and be perfect like God. We are to try to do what Jesus commands in the previous verses. No where does this verse say that Jesus expects us to automatically be able to do it all without failing once. Jesus is stating if we want to be fully righteous, those are the things we should be trying to do.

So, no the Bible hasn't contradicted me.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yahzi

As often as Magus infuriates or just amuses me, this one takes the cake.

I can't even figure out how it makes me feel. I'm just like, wtf Magus? Maybe twenty years ago I would have asked if I could have some of what you're smoking, but now I'm just like, wtf?

What the heck are you talking about? Atheists put up the lame argument that they can't earn their way to Heaven; instead they have to accept a Savior on their behalf. I'm just pointing out that it is a ridiculous argument to be able to earn Heaven because the only way to earn heaven on your own is to be completely perfect. And I can 100% guarantee that no one on this board, let alone the world is perfect.

openeyes · 06-08-2004, 10:15 AM

I don't really "refuse" Christ, since I think he's a made-up person for all intents and purposes. I do "refuse" to unquestionably follow the culture that believes him to be a person as outlined by the bible and the "son" of "God". I don't see how an "acceptance" of "Christ" would enhance my life or of the people around me.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Warthur

On a slight tangent: if Christ's sacrifice was for *all* the sins of mankind, past present and future, surely this should include the sin of not believing in Christ?)

Nope. All Jesus did was open the door and offer grace. Its up to each individual to walk through the door.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

I'm arguing against Magus' interpretation, not the correct interpretation.

What makes your interpretation correct, and not mine? Oh, thats right. Atheists are always right, even when they are wrong.

Magus55 · 06-08-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Yeah, I get you Mageth. I guess I was speaking to Magus by way of Mageth.

BTW, M or M, if "God" never changes, why'd he change his name from El to YHWH, from chapter one to chapter two of "his" book, one might ask?

signed, M

He didn't change His name. Its God in Chapter 1, and the Lord God in chapter 2. Its still the same name. God is called many things in the Bible. Later He is called Jehovah.

dado · 06-08-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

...the only way to earn heaven on your own is to be completely perfect.

that statement has zero basis in Judaism. everybody has a share in the afterlife, whatever form it turns out to take.

everybody.

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06-08-2004, 10:02 AM	#321
EarlFlynn Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 1,806	In response to the OP... 1) I'm not stupid 2) I'm not expendable 3) And I'm not going! ...to fall for an obvious myth.

06-08-2004, 10:15 AM	#326
openeyes Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,215	I don't really "refuse" Christ, since I think he's a made-up person for all intents and purposes. I do "refuse" to unquestionably follow the culture that believes him to be a person as outlined by the bible and the "son" of "God". I don't see how an "acceptance" of "Christ" would enhance my life or of the people around me.

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