Roger Pearse

If you say so, although I would have thought that statement bore no serious relationship to any comment by me. 'Tis often the way with atheists, alas. To understand anything, you have to first open your mind, you see.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Amaleq13

That is what you appeared to be claiming. Feel free to offer clarification if you think you have been misunderstood.



I would suggest that you take your own advice before making such blatantly silly generalizations about atheists.

Johnny Skeptic

You are notorious for cherry-picking which arguments you reply to, and for evasively avoiding any discussions where you know that you will have difficulties defending your positions. Obviously, you are not nearly as confident of your positions as your pretend to be. If you were to have a live debate before and audience, you would get into trouble unless you directly replied to your opponents' arguments. As it is, you dictatorially insist upon choosing whose questions get answers, and which issues gets discussed, in spite of the fact that this is the Internet Infidels Discussion Board. You are quite content to have discussions when you believe that you have the advantage, but only then.

You are usually or always unwilling to discuss God's motives, when in fact, if a God exists, his motives are everything. You are quite mistaken if you believe that reasonably proving that a God inspired the Bible provides a rational basis for people to become Christians.

Splarnst

Fake communists.

Can you really not see how ridiculous that sounds? Prove to me that communists aren't misinterpreting the Communist Manifesto and that capitalists aren't "true communists." You can't do it. I'll just claim superiority and scoff at you for being fake.

ThinkingMan

My post has nothing to do with the media, or an agenda, or the USA, or the 21st centruy. I'm not sure what you mean by 'normal.' My argument simply is that Jesus' miracles are not credible. I realize I didn't fully form the argument in my opening post, but I expounded upon it in my second post.

schilling.klaus

Ridiculous are all those people who fail to see that the NT represents a completely degenerate , unoriginal, subverted, corrupted form of Christianity, and that original Christianity was much more of a syncretic hellenic philosophy of religion

Klaus Schilling

Splarnst

Ridiculous are all those people who fail to see that the Communist Manifesto represents a completely degenerate , unoriginal, subverted, corrupted form of communism, and that original communism was much more of a laissez-faire philosophy of economics.

See? I can play, too.

Chili

Except that to be Christian in the manner of Jesus is not to be, wherefore resurrection removed him from the scene when Jesus was first identified as Christ and was first called Christ (Mark is clear on this in the Freer Logion).

Notice that Jesus was never addressed as Christ in any of the 4 gospels until after resurrection except by the keen insight of Peter who represents faith in being the twin of doubt and therefore was called rock of the new religion.

So now, to be a Christian is not to be other than what we truly are and that very much excludes going to church and wanting anything including going to heaven.

Roger Pearse

Sorry if I wasn't clear. You appeal to "credible". I merely suggested that your yardstick for "credible" should be established before you proceed.

I believe that the yardstick that, in fact, was being used whether or not an idea conforms to the societal values of the late 20th century USA. But of course if you think that you have some other yardstick, produce it...

I tend to find that atheists are very bad at analysing their own positions, tho.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Yellum Notnef

Lol. As opposed to Muslims and all sorts of other miracle believing cranks. Talk about a big bowl of spotted dick.

(When I logged on today there was a system message telling me I haven't posted in a while and I should get in here and mix it up.)