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ApostateAbe · 03-21-2010, 03:44 PM

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In order to get a better sense of the scholarly "establishment" of the New Testament, I am compiling a list of New Testament journals and other periodical publications, and I would be happy to receive additions and corrections....

I am glad to hear that your motivations are so objective. I would hate to think that you are doing this in order to bolster your assertions that the probabilities of the Mythical Jesus are too low for serious contemplation, as evidenced by the collective opinion of "established" New Testament scholars.

Because if that were true, one might mistakenly come away thinking that your constant and insistent presence here has more to do with a mission to rehabilitate the HJ to preserve your own religious worldview, rather than as the objective quest for truth. And that would be silly!

Go ahead and state your opinions plainly; it is hard for me to deal with sarcasm. The situation is that Toto accused me of not having the qualifications to accuse a guy with two Ph.D.s (Robert M. Price) of being ideologically-driven and a sloppy scholar. I said among other things that I have the backing of critical scholarly journals who refuse to publish his ideas. Toto asked me who refuses to publish his ideas. I said that Robert Price started his own publication because everyone else refused to publish his unlikely propositions. Toto then gave me a list of articles by Price published in scholarly (and not so scholarly) journals. So, at this point I am trying to establish a basis for judging the list, and it is not looking to be in Toto's favor. I thought Toto would take the defense that the establishment is unjustly biased against mythicism, as Price himself seems to think, and maybe Toto believes that, but it looks like Toto is using a different strategy in order to justify her condemnation of my attacks against Price. I don't think I'll continue to push that line of argument, because it was irrelevant from the beginning, but it is certainly useful for me and others to get a good sense of what the "establishment" really is.

ApostateAbe · 03-21-2010, 03:50 PM

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Biblical Archaeology Review is a popular magazine. I don't think it positions itself as a scholarly journal, although it does contain articles by recognized scholars. The audience, however, is the lay public with an interest in "Biblical archaeology," a phrase that is out of favor among academics. I don't know what sort of peer review it would use.

Thanks, I'll exclude Biblical Archaeology Review.

ApostateAbe · 03-21-2010, 03:53 PM

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Just from looking at it, you have a variety of journals.

In some, research oriented articles predominate, others are oriented towards theological/interpretive articles, some specialize in articles by up & comers, others again are oriented towards "popular" audiences. I would sort them first by type (research vs theological interpretation vs popular), then by citation in research monographs (not popular books like Crossan's Birth of Christianity).

How does one find out which journals are cited more than others? Are we talking about the statistics we find in Amazon web pages for the books they have for sale, or is there another source?

"Prestige" is probably too subjective.

DCH

I am more interested in "prestige" than type, but, if you can sort them by type, that would be cool by me. I don't have a good sense of the different types, either.

The blogger seemed to use Google Books to somehow count the number of books containing a citation. Maybe he just did a search for each title and counted the number of results for books.

Toto · 03-21-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

... I said among other things that I have the backing of critical scholarly journals who refuse to publish his ideas.

Have you found one that you know has refused to publish his ideas?

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Toto then gave me a list of articles by Price published in scholarly (and not so scholarly) journals. So, at this point I am trying to establish a basis for judging the list, and it is not looking to be in Toto's favor.

Why not? I see The Journal for the Study of the New Testament, Evangelical Quarterly, Theological Digest & Outlook, Journal for the Critical Study of Religion, Review of Rabbinic Judaism, among some smaller journals that appear to be published by religious groups, and contributions to books edited by brand name scholars.

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I thought Toto would take the defense that the establishment is unjustly biased against mythicism,

Defense to what?

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I don't think I'll continue to push that line of argument, because it was irrelevant from the beginning, but it is certainly useful for me and others to get a good sense of what the "establishment" really is.

I think you are in error if you think that you can find an "establishment" with the prestige or the authority of, say the Journal of the American Medical Association or one of the peer reviewed journals of science. There are scholars who want Biblical studies to become a field of study with the sort of prestige and peer review and controls, but they seem to spend time bemoaning the lack of such standards.

It looks to me like you like to think you can read minds, and that you are quick to make unjustified inferences. You need to reconsider both of those approaches.

hjalti · 03-21-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateApe

I said among other things that I have the backing of critical scholarly journals who refuse to publish his ideas. Toto asked me who refuses to publish his ideas. I said that Robert Price started his own publication because everyone else refused to publish his unlikely propositions. Toto then gave me a list of articles by Price published in scholarly (and not so scholarly) journals. So, at this point I am trying to establish a basis for judging the list, and it is not looking to be in Toto's favor.

How is that supposed to support your accusation that "everyone else refused to publish his unlikely propositions"?

You won't find any articles authored by me in any peer-reviewed biblical studies journal, does that mean that they refused to publish my unlikely propositions?

mountainman · 03-22-2010, 06:37 PM

The Journal of Higher Criticism ??

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The Journal of Higher Criticism was initiated in 1994 as a forthright attempt - in a time of scholarly neo-conservatism - to hark back to the bold historical hypotheses and critical interpretations associated with the great names of F. C. Baur and Tübingen. We presented articles dealing with historical, literary, and history-of-religion issues from the perspective of higher criticism. The Higher Critical Review, appearing in each issue of the Journal, featured detailed review essays on important new works relating to historical criticism. The Journal of Higher Criticism was published semi-annually, Spring and Fall. The Editor was Robert M. Price; The Associate Editor was Darrell J. Doughty.

The final issue of the Journal (Volume 10, No. 2) appeared in fall, 2003.

I suppose the last sentence tells us it is not longer operative?

Toto · 03-22-2010, 07:05 PM

The JHC is no longer published at Drew. Robert Price persuaded the Atheist Alliance to publish it for a while, but he finally moved it to lulu.com to published on demand. That was the last I knew of it. In theory, it could be resurrected.

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03-22-2010, 07:05 PM	#17
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The JHC is no longer published at Drew. Robert Price persuaded the Atheist Alliance to publish it for a while, but he finally moved it to lulu.com to published on demand. That was the last I knew of it. In theory, it could be resurrected.

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