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I’m not informed on the Hermits so I’m not sure what you are talking about with the “heroic example”.
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Not everyone has to see a martyr for them to be convinced. The people that see the martyr can have in increase in their faith which spreads to their loved ones. The persecution/martyrdom starts early with Jesus convincing the apostles and then moving onto Stephen convincing Paul. It’s not just Roman persecution that helps fuel the movement but the early Jewish. Why do you think there was a trend at the time towards metaphysics and supernaturalism? Are metaphysics and supernaturalism related to each other or distinct in your opinion? |
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Gday,
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But , Luke had NO memory himself of that event, as he did not witness it. Changing the translation to try and make it so is hardly honest. Quote:
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I think the problem of Gnosticism is in the -ism itself if the mind of Christ is the end of religion. I think that Northrup Frye made this very clear in his "Great Code' where he presents the idea that intelligence cannot be purified to attain heaven on earth . . . no matter how close they come and of which Aristotle was a good example regardless of how usefull he can be to substantiate an argument.
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The Fathers of the Church frequently and unequivocally inculcated the necessity of almsgiving.http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01328f.htm Now this is the teaching of the church, not a record of their actual work. I haven't read much non-Christian lit from the period so I don't know if any non-Christian witnesses corroborate this. re Gnostics: I think you'll find that these people were mystics rather than philosophers. Their teachings were intended only for the initiated few, not for the general public. They tended to develop esoteric cosmologies. Many were radical dualists, condemning all matter including human bodies. re martyrs: without testimony from contemporaries it's hard to say how much impact they would have had. Being prepared to die for duty or honour wasn't a new idea. I believe the Stoics taught this kind of idea, suffering for the good. re supernaturalism: I guess this word is not strictly synonymous with metaphysics, but frankly I don't really care. Neither interests me, but the historical record points to a decline in scientific inquiry and a rise in mysticism and spiritual speculation (eg neo-Pythagoreanism and neo-Platonism, monasticism, gnosticism and various Christian heresies) |
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I am not changing the words used but just agreeing that "traced" is better in its poetic freedom to make it Luke's noetic recollection of his own past. Perhaps so but the difference between myth and fantasy is that myth is real and fantasy remains fantastic but is not iconic and therefore not real (eidelons from doxa or opinion vs. images from episteme or insight). Sooo, let Luke's conclusion speak for itself where he goes to heaven instead of back to Galilee to suffer some more defeat. |
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Not sure if Hermits died for the Lord or they would not be Hermits. It is the 'vocals' who died for the Lord which in itself is an admission that they are not the Lord and . . . deserve no better? Perhaps just used to get the show on the road, but that is just my guess. In other words, is it not stupid to be willing to die for the Lord if you are the Lord? |
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Gdauy,
Sure, IF it happened to him, it would have been his own to remember. But it DIDN'T happen to him. Does he say it happened to him? No. Does he say he was an eye-witness? No Does he say he met any eye-witness? No. How does he connect himself to eye-witnesses? He says OTHERS wrote books based on what was handed down from eye-witnesses, then HE wrote his own. Luke is far far removed from any eye-witnesses. Can you explain why YOU believe otherwise? Quote:
Luke makes it clear he is NOT an eye-witness. Can you explain why you believe otherwise? Apart from just changing a word and speculating about it. Quote:
Does he say it happened to him? No. Does he say he was an eye-witness? No Does he say he met any eye-witness? No. Luke was not an eye-witness. Word games won't change that. K. |
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