aa5874

But, you have not refuted one single thing.

You simply cannot explain how a man could be walking on water during a storm at sea. The disciples had reason to think Jesus was a Spirit. Real men are not water-walkers during a sea-storm.

The Gospel of Mark as found canonised is not about a mere man but a Supernatural entity.


But, we have gone through the passage with Peter, the first bishop of Rome, when he began to sink, Jesus, the water-walker, saved him from sinking. It is expected that a mere man would begin to sink.

Jesus did not sink even with Peter in his arms.

Mt 14:30 -
Examine the passage again, the disciples thought Jesus was a Spirit and were perplexed so as the water-walker approached he said to them, "IT IS I, Don't worry--be happy [be of good cheer--be not afraid]"

Now, let us continue to show that gMark's Jesus was not a mere human but was Supernatural.

Let us examine Mark 11 where Jesus TALKED to or Cursed a tree and the tree simple withered away from the roots.

Mark 11.12-21 So, it has been established that the Jesus in gMark was presented as a Supernatural creature and not a mere man.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition after gMark is examined.

kcdad

IT IS A METAPHOR, an allegory, a symbolic representation of reality...
A man can not walk on water... neither can a deity.

aa5874

Exactly. Jesus was a metphorical man, an allergory, a myth, his flesh was immaterial, even clouds could talk to Jesus.

And in mythical fables, deities will perform as their inventor intended. See all the mythical Gods of antiquity, including the Water God and Jesus, the water-walker..

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since Jesus was just a back-dated invention that was only believed to be true or intended to be believed.

kcdad

The stories of him are metaphorical... stories can be metaphorical.

Why can you not distinguish the difference between a person and story about that person?

Clouds talk? If speech is nothing but the wind, spirit or breath (pneuma) coming across one's vocal chords, perhaps the clouds can talk... in a metaphorical sense.

aa5874

Well, let us examine ALL the stories about Jesus in gMark you may find that they are METAPHORICAL not historical.

1. The Temptation appear to be metaphorical.

2. The miracles of Jesus seem metaphorical.

3. The walking on water is another metaphor.

4. The transfiguration was a metaphor.

5. The trial and crucifixion appear to be metaphors derived from the Psalms, Hebrew Scripture, the Septuagint or some similar source.

6. The death and disappearance of the body appear to be metaphorical.

7. The resurrection must be a metaphor.

Jesus was a metaphorical invention.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition after gMark is examined and Jesus is found to be virtually entirely metaphorical.

In mythical fables clouds can talk or the Lord talk through clouds. Perhaps clouds or the God in the cloud know Aramaic or some Hebrew dialect.

Examine Exodus 34:5 - It is clear, Jesus was a metaphor. The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

kcdad

It is clear you haven't a clue about ancient peoples and their "histories".
What was Jesus a metaphor for? The Garden of Eden might be a metaphor for living in harmony and peace, Sin might be a metaphor for being out of community and fellowship with others. Blood and sacrifice may be a metaphor for the mystery of life and a desire to put off the eventuality and finality of death. That is: living life to the fullest, while you can.

So what is Jesus a metaphor for?

aa5874

You mean the conception through the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary without a human father was historical?

But these are your own words.

Jesus was just an invention and compilation of metaphorical stories backdated and believed to be true or was intended to be believed.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

kcdad

Excuse me... did I stutter? Stories are invented, people are not. Stories can be metaphorical, people can not.

I admire your ability to tell what, 2000 years ago, people from a completely different culture from yours thought and intended... YOU are truly miraculous!

Why can't you admit that these writers found the life and teachings of this man remarkable and embellished it, enhanced it and glorified it to make it UNFORGETTABLE? Just like writers have done about extraordinary men since language first began... Do you think Adam lived 600 years and Methusaleh 900 years? Do you think the authors really intended anyone to believe that literally?

arnoldo

Granted that Jesus is mythical, so what?

Toto

A mythical Jesus is unlikely to burn you in hell.

If you treat the NT as myth, you have to use your own intelligence to figure out what it means, and not be a lazy literalist. Then there is at least a chance that you might come out with some useful lessons.