Originally Posted by Chili

Right direction for sure, and good works does not mean for righeousness sake, while in fact just the opposite is true. I like the enslaving aspect you wrote as sheep under the shepherd, and further aloof under the pope and his militant regime only for as far as it pertains to his flock.

He so is like a people rancher on his side his own fence where Christ dwells among them in the maturing of age without ageing in presence because Mary is crowned Queen mother of the Church who is renewed 'in and by' the age as it move through the ages, and so is what 'infallibility' is about. It just means in charge of destiny in a realm of their own, which makes them untouchable in it, i.e. we have our own law and by that law he must die as Catholic and as Catholic only so the man (as Christ) can be set free in him too.

To get back to your point, the good works is not directly about achievements, but the contradiction they create between good and evil inside the mind of the believer to the point that it triggers a seclusion or resignment of worldly affairs, that so is like spinning a coccoon wherein renewal is part of the plan they are trying to bring about, so that 'the God within' can do his own thing.

In this Piety in children is crucial to paint a picture of Eden in them that becomes the starting point from where they enter their own world that eventually becomes their own labyrinth in the mind of the believer, who is challenged to enter with telic vision (Sola Fida) to slay the minotaur within.

And so the the prettier Eden is painted the easier the minotaur is seen as the enemy within to bring this incubation about. In this sense good works are the complexity of our own Spire, Golding called it:
. . . that he now wanted to reach in his own tipsy-turvy world as seen from above. So the works do belong as the labyrinth must exist before the minotaur can be seen, and then a life-line is needed to get back home with white sails, now as our private Snow White in charge. This life-line then is Infant Baptism when a white candle is given to keep so it may serve them as the life-line to get back home and so find that it will drag us to Rome as we trail from 'shiner' to 'shiner' as the primitive altars we placed along the way out, like Hansel and Grethel maybe, as milestones of faith instead of deeds of righteousness as breadcrumbs placed along the way in that the ravens picked aways to leave us stranded and lost in a small world of our own.

It's all imagery and the above is the venue they try to maintain against all the others, each with a shortcut of their own also known as 'Transavenue 49' that goes from the early signs of trouble ahead directly to Jesus and leave the turmoil to rot in the believer himself.

Originally Posted by sotto voce

The Church of England did not exist in the 14th century, as Church Society will confirm. The body that the CoE was to unanimously describe as antichrist, a body it believed to be described in 2 Co 11:14-15, had a 'branch' called Ecclesia Anglicana, what it pretended was the church in England. A small semantic difference? One that launched the Spanish Armada, anyway.

Originally Posted by sotto voce

Amateur definitions, Iskander. A Protestant is not a protester. Catholics were protesters. Most protesters were Catholics. Just as they are today!

And sola fide is not about salvation.

Do ask an expert.

Originally Posted by sotto voce

Corrigendum

The body that the CoE was to unanimously describe as antichrist, a body it believed to be described in 2 Co 11:14-15, had a 'branch' called Ecclesia Anglicana, that it pretended was the church in England.

Originally Posted by Iskander

The early post-Nicene church was a Protestant church according to Rev. James Aitken Wylie, LL.D.

“Bishop Ambrose, who died A.D. 397, was Bishop of Milan for twenty-three years. His theology, and that of his diocese, was in no essential respects different from that which Protestants hold at this day. The Bible alone was his rule of faith; Christ alone was the foundation of the Church; the justification of the sinner and the remission of sins were not of human merit, but by the expiatory sacrifice of the Cross; there were but two Sacraments, Baptism and the Lord's Supper, and in the latter Christ was held to be present only figuratively.[5] Such is a summary of the faith professed and taught by the chief bishop of the north of Italy in the end of the fourth century.[6]”

Originally Posted by Iskander

Originally Posted by sotto voce

So was the Spanish Armada a needless waste of time, effort, materiel and lives? Was the Spanish Inquisition all due to a misunderstanding? Clerical error?

If you have a point, do you know what it is? Because your readers might be interested to know.

Or perhaps not.

Originally Posted by Chili

Wow, I know of her but never knew this. I am not a Saint person but can see it happen. I always admired people with a deep faith and call it quality to be admired, but it just is not me.

It is her degree of intimacy that we cannot measure, but we do have an icon wherein the heart of woman is placed side by side with the heart of Christ to show that they one and the same. Then of courrse the hypostatic union (the Cana event) takes place inside the mind of the person (and there goes that historic Jesus again).

Then add that 'the woman' was never banned from and does not need to be crucified as only intimacy is required of her. = no down under for her, obviously not (no Northop Frye's 'tyranny' for her).

This would be unlike Chaim Potok, a wannebe artist, who nailed his mother to the cross pretending to be the American equivalent of James Joyce, (in "My Name is Asher Lev" and so here now goes that foot again).

Let me point you to John 20:21 "AS the father has send me, so I send you" while showing his stigmata to them. This now means that the evidence is real and until it is: "shut up," was the real message here (and there goes the evangelist again)

Joyces "Portrait" is a very clear purgatory event, with the last line reading: Old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead." Then look at his countdown of 40 days, which 3 days later would be May 1, where so new life in Eden begins for him (and doesn't anybody ever read that?).

Originally Posted by Iskander

Thank you,Chili, you are good at teaching .


Saint Catherine of Siena,
Catholic Encyclopaedia
How could a Catholic child consecrate her virginity to Christ?



At the age of seven she consecrated her virginity to Christ; in her sixteenth year she took the habit of the Dominican Tertiaries, and renewed the life of the anchorites of the desert in a little room in her father's house. After three years of celestial visitations and familiar conversation with Christ, she underwent the mystical experience known as the "spiritual espousals", probably during the carnival of 1366

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03447a.htm


During the summer of 1370 she received a series of special manifestations of Divine mysteries, which culminated in a prolonged trance, a kind of mystical death, in which she had a vision of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, and heard a Divine command to leave her cell and enter the public life of the world.