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What is the point in saying this nasty stuff? It seems to revolve around misunderstanding the term "bilingual". Casey is not a bi- or tri-lingual. He is merely a philologist with training in Greek and Aramaic. A bilingual is a productive user of two languages. They have such a domesticity in both languages that they have no trouble communicating all their basic thoughts directly in either language without any effort at translation. However, there are in fact well-known limitations in competency regarding bilinguals, selective vocabularies, interference between the two languages, confusion.

Casey is only a monolingual, but he knows what a bilingual is.


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stephan huller

The Germans have a nice word - sprachgefühl. Many Biblical authorities make arguments in ancinet languages without having real sprachgefühl. Mit Sprachgefühl meinen wir die Fähigkeit, einschätzen zu können, wie unsere Worte und Formulierungen auf andere wirken.

Steven Carr

So people who speak only one language fluently are much better at a second language than somebody who speaks that language fluently?

'However, there are in fact well-known limitations in competency regarding bilinguals, selective vocabularies, interference between the two languages, confusion.'

So Casey's Aramaic suffers from none of the problems that a native Aramaic speaker would have?

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Where did that come from?

Still not there, Steven. You know the cliche, there are those people who write and those people who criticize writing. Casey's knowledge of the particular language(s) is theoretical, passive. He cannot perform it. It doesn't mean his theoretical grasp of it isn't sufficient to make insightful analysis.


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Steven Carr

So Casey can read Aramaic documents he has never seen better than a native Aramaic speaker who has actually seen these alleged documents?

Unlike native Aramaic/Greek speakers, Casey considers himself 'fully competent' in both languages?

Or perhaps Casey regards himself as 'not fully competent',in the way he claims many bilingual speakers are 'not fully competent'.

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Casey has probably deceived himself as to his reconstructive powers. That doesn't stop him, given his domestication with koine Greek, from individuating errors in the Greek when he sees them and to attempt to find causes.


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Steven Carr

You don't seem to like answering questions.

Is Casey 'fully competent' in Greek and Aramaic? Casey claims many bilingual speakers of Aramaic and Greek were 'not fully competent'.

Is Casey 'fully competent' in koine Greek and Aramaic, unlike people who spoke those languages every day of their lives?

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I like trying to make the issues clear as I see them.

I have already answered both these questions. Casey is functionally a monolingual with analytical expertise in Greek and Aramaic. And Casey at no stage has claimed to be fully competent in koine Greek and Aramaic.

Can a well trained listener say whether a musician is competent or not?

Critical analysis is not dealing with the same thing as linguistic productivity. You can know when a native speaker makes errors in a language you are not competent in, but are analytically trained in. It seems to me you're confusing two separate issues.


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Steven Carr

So Casey is not fully competent in Greek or Aramaic, and has never claimed to be fully competent in Greek or Aramaic, although I am paying taxes so he can get a salary as a NT Professor?

Why are people who are 'not fully competent' in Greek or Aramaic, claiming to be able to translate from one language to another better than somebody who can actually see the alleged documents they are translating?

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I feel your pain, Steven.


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