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Old 09-24-2007, 01:13 PM   #101
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If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
Au contraire, I will not believe in miracles.
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But you've made the statement, thus you have to back it up.
Ah, but I don't, because I have made no categoric claim regarding the supernatural.
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I don't think so. You tried to exclude the Apollo missions.
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Since it was Bertrand Russell's argument, at a time when there were no space missions, Apollo missions are completely beside the point.
There is no pressing need for Apollo. There could be other civilisations from other planets who use teapots who have lost one in space.
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:20 PM   #104
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If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
And I think I'll stick with Einstein on this one:
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
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Another classic false argument.
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:28 PM   #106
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Another exercise in point-missing:

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But it isn't absurd, as I have already pointed out. Reductio ad absurdum is 'logic' that leads to the logically impossible.
You said Russell's argument was an "argument from ridicule". I said it was more aptly described as reductio ad absurdum. Now, if you want to split hairs about the difference between "impossible" and "absurd to the point it's foolish to waste time on it", split away! But you're not getting any closer to dismissing it as mere ridicule. It's ironic that you do so while ridiculing your challengers with vapid insults.

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There is no pressing need for Apollo. There could be other civilisations from other planets who use teapots who have lost one in space.
Yep. You're right. There is that formal possibility. Like I said: if you want to claim that the "supernatural" is as likely as the (pre-Apollo) Celestial Teapot, you won't get any argument from me.
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Ultimately, every human wants to have a special relationship with the Absolute, even if they profess not to believe in the Absolute! This is the reason why people hold on to the possibility of miracles. It is a way of saying, "Maybe something can save me from the world with its events and sorrows."
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But it isn't absurd, as I have already pointed out. Reductio ad absurdum is 'logic' that leads to the logically impossible.
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You said Russell's argument was an "argument from ridicule". I said it was more aptly described as reductio ad absurdum.
But now you know better. Be pleased you've learned something today.

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Now, if you want to split hairs about the difference between "impossible" and "absurd to the point it's foolish to waste time on it", split away!
So teapots in space are not worth discussing? Why did you bring them up, then?
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So teapots in space are not worth discussing? Why did you bring them up, then?
it was an admittedly long-shot attempt to get you to recognize a point.
It failed.
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it was an admittedly long-shot attempt to get you to recognize a point.
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So you're leaving IIDB because discussing the supernatural is as absurd as discussing teapots in space. Oh well, the rest of us will have to carry on acting like the clowns we must be.
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