Pagandawn

Sure, that is a very interesting point! You agree to the possibility that the bible may contain zero in value when it becomes to historical reality. You see, if that is the case. What you are doing in this forum is a pretty useless exercise. Interpreting silly stories for gullible idiots?

Is it not a good thing that a rational guy like me turns up and makes that clear for you? I think so.

Toto

Gladly.

This forum was originally titled "Biblical Criticism and Archeology." The name was changed to cover sources of history other than the hard results of archeology. The subject matter of the forum includes Biblical criticism of all sorts (textual, literary, whatever) as well as comments on other sacred texts, and Christian history up to the middle ages (the time limit was a favor to one of our former regulars, Bede, who refused to set his cursor in GRD.)

There is no implication in the title of this forum that the Bible is a source of historical information. Anyone here who claims the Bible as authority for anything will find his or her beliefs subject to serious challenge.

Happy? :wave:

Pagandawn

OK, thanks for the explanation. I still think that "archeology" would look fine in the title...

Well, my point is and that should be pretty clear by know. That the bible is not worthy a serious debate among intelligent people as a source of historical reality.

Toto

Your point is clear, but if you phrased it in more temperate terms, and knew a little bit more about the subject matter, you might stand a better chance of getting it across. Just a suggestion.

Adamu

But the bible is an historical source.
Without it Babylon, Assyria, Akkad and many other peoples and places, their events too, might still be considered "myth."
As early as Genesis 10 we read a listing of ancient cities in mesopotamia, and IIRC, of all the Assyrian cities listed in the bible, only Ressen remains to be found.

Bullshit?

Can anyone show these peoples and places didn't exist?

Pagandawn

No, I think that you misunderstood my point here?

I am upset and that is my main point.

Talking serious about pure BS? I wouldn't lend myself to be temperate about that.

The bible is pure BS.

Mageth

Pagandawn, many people obvioulsy disagree with you. Many people don't see the Bible as "pure BS." I'm an atheist, and I don't see the Bible as "pure BS." I don't believe that the Bible is true when it talks about God creating the world, flooding the entire Earth, and incarnating as a man-god that is crucified and comes back to life...I consider it myth, and literature, but I do not think the Bible is "pure BS."

It's an interesting religious text, and I think we can learn much from it, primarily about the human condition. E.g., why (and how) have we humans come up with myths such as the Bible? The Bible is interesting to me because of what we can learn about us from it, not what we can learn about God from it.

Many people seek to discuss the Bible, from different angles and for different motivations.

Hence, the need for a forum like this, that enables objective discussions of the text without the burden of being expected to believe in the literal truthfulness thereof (as one might find on Christian websites).

I reckon it comes down to: If you believe the Bible is "pure BS", then don't read or participate in this forum! But recognize that others do so for various reasons.

Pagandawn

I think that this dumbass post makes my point pretty clear.

So according to you? Assyria and Babylon are only real through the bible?

They have a very real history outside the bible. The bible tries to get a real history using Ass. and Babylon.

Assyria and Babylon are real, the bible is BS.

Adamu

I suppose if all one knows of the bible is "Jews in Egypt and Jesus miracles" then it does appear to be "pure BS."
But a closer look reveals what atheists refuse to acknowlege: aside from a few miraculous fables the bible is historically accurate.
And don't misunderstand; I'm atheist.

Pagandawn

Hey, we are on the same wave length when it comes to the hohus-pokus stuff. Good.

But, evidently not, when it comes to its historical reality?

I repeat myself. Everything in the bible is BS, when it comes to historical reality. Only one mayor event is real and that is the Jews spending some time in Babylon. Except from that, everything is BS.