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Mageth · 04-20-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

We are looking at where the immaculate conception happened!

Umm, that would make this Mary's mother's private parts.

Mageth · 04-20-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Shameless Hussy

I don't recall any bible stories of Jesus wandering around making stains on walls...

Since public restrooms were few and far between back in those days, I'm sure Jesus did his share of stain-making on walls.

newtype_alpha · 04-20-2005, 11:42 AM

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I have a question: how do stains count as "miracles"? I mean, even if you accept that this is the Virgin Mary making an appearance, why would she choose to work such a useless "miracle" when she could have, say, miraculously fed all the hungry people in a given region or made a blind person see or something useful like that? I don't recall any bible stories of Jesus wandering around making stains on walls...

That's because making stains on the wall is a terrible sin.

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Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

In Corinthians we read that Christians are to avoid even the appearance of evil, so since pissing on a wall can get you in real deep shit, an ordinary water stain is probably a divine misdomeaner. :huh:

Clivedurdle · 04-20-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Umm, that would make this Mary's mother's private parts.

Doh! So what is the technical term for the nooky between the HS and Mary? Or what is it IVF?

But where does it stop? Surely all of Mary's predecessors would have to be holy!

Clivedurdle · 04-20-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Since public restrooms were few and far between back in those days, I'm sure Jesus did his share of stain-making on walls.

A new market! Holy relics of certain holy stains on ancient walls!

Mageth · 04-20-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Doh! So what is the technical term for the nooky between the HS and Mary? Or what is it IVF?

I don't know if there is one "technical term". "Miraculous conception", "virginal conception", or simply "virgin birth"...

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But where does it stop? Surely all of Mary's predecessors would have to be holy!

In the "Immaculate Conception", "conception" refers to the infusion of Mary's soul (free from original sin) into the fertilized ovum/zygote, and not to the sex act between Mary's parents itself. She was physically conceived in the normal way, but miraculously her soul was injected by the Holy Ghost without the taint of original sin.

Weird stuff, this.

Shameless Hussy · 04-20-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by newtype_alpha

That's because making stains on the wall is a terrible sin.

My NIV doesn't have the part about pissing against a wall in Kings 1 14:10. It says "I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel - slave or free." Your bible sounds more entertaining.

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In Corinthians we read that Christians are to avoid even the appearance of evil, so since pissing on a wall can get you in real deep shit, an ordinary water stain is probably a divine misdomeaner. :huh:

It's certainly a civic offense where I live! Of course, the stain in question is salt run-off, not piddle. But really, if there are any miracle believers here, my question still stands: why would God or whoever is in charge of miracles do something useless like a stain? Jesus' miracles helped people, or at least got the party started (water into wine). Why would Mary waste her time with a mere publicity stunt?

proudliberal · 04-21-2005, 08:28 PM

From a distance it does look like a young woman?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...gionapparition

My mother made me drive her to the site and she almost fainted.

lpetrich · 04-21-2005, 08:41 PM

One wonders why she appears in such odd ways -- why doesn't she manifest herself unmistakably during a Super Bowl or a World Cup match? And manifest herself to whatever photo or video equipment that's being used to document that event?

Or manifest herself to Catholic-haters like Jack Chick and many other fundies. Something like:

Jack, Jack, why are you persecuting me?

I challenge you people to find out where in the Bible was the inspiration for this statement.

Biff the unclean · 04-21-2005, 10:12 PM

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Jack, Jack, why are you persecuting me?

I challenge you people to find out where in the Bible was the inspiration for this statement.

It's from Euripides play Bacchae The author of Acts lifted it

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lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	One wonders why she appears in such odd ways -- why doesn't she manifest herself unmistakably during a Super Bowl or a World Cup match? And manifest herself to whatever photo or video equipment that's being used to document that event? Or manifest herself to Catholic-haters like Jack Chick and many other fundies. Something like: Jack, Jack, why are you persecuting me? I challenge you people to find out where in the Bible was the inspiration for this statement.

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