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Old 05-21-2011, 01:34 PM   #61
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Ok Abe, now read it...

Let's do this step by step, as it appears that you prefer to rely on arguments from authority and not, seemingly, on the primary evidence.

What does tertullian say about the first trip to Jerusalem, especially considering that he is arguing against Marcion's rejection of Acts, as he detailed in Chapter one. Obviously, the reference to the first vist would be strong evidence tying The Acts story to the Galatians story. So read it carefully and tell me what you find.
Do you want me to read the whole thing again? Tell me the god-damn evidence. Quote it. Put it in bold. Tell me exactly what your argument is.

Never mind, you won't, and I won't keep on asking. I will, however, keep on bugging you about this.
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After fourteen years he went up to Jerusalem...


Abe, you really do rely on arguments from authority...
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This is the reason why I use the term, "Jesus-birther." A "Jesus-myther" or a "mythicist" is someone who is committed to the position that Jesus never existed, but it does not include the people who don't believe it but still defend it all of the gosh darn time.
Ah,
so a "Jesus-birther' is someone who LIES that they believe Jesus was a myth, but really doesn't believe it at all.

Can you name even ONE "Jesus birther" ?


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Some Jesus-birthers say: “Maybe Paul lied.”

Paul apparently did not make any important point with this particular claim in Galatians 1:19. There is no apparent reason that he would have lied. It is something he says in passing, like he is merely filling in the details leading up to the account of the relevant meeting.
Really?

Please name 3 Jesus birthers who say "Paul lied" .


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This is the reason why I use the term, "Jesus-birther." A "Jesus-myther" or a "mythicist" is someone who is committed to the position that Jesus never existed, but it does not include the people who don't believe it but still defend it all of the gosh darn time.
Ah,
so a "Jesus-birther' is someone who LIES that they believe Jesus was a myth, but really doesn't believe it at all.

Can you name even ONE "Jesus birther" ?


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That isn't quite what I mean. When I say that they don't believe it, I do not mean that they believe the contrary. They are explicitly neutral, though they persistently argue just as though they do believe it, the same way an Obama-birther would be uncertain about where Obama was born and still argue that the Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements of the time could be faked.
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After fourteen years he went up to Jerusalem...


Abe, you really do rely on arguments from authority...
When one has no evidence, one has to make do with other approaches.
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Some Jesus-birthers say: “Maybe Paul lied.”

Paul apparently did not make any important point with this particular claim in Galatians 1:19. There is no apparent reason that he would have lied. It is something he says in passing, like he is merely filling in the details leading up to the account of the relevant meeting.
Really?

Please name 3 Jesus birthers who say "Paul lied" .


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I can give you at least one, which I think is all I need. The Infidel Guy made that speculation when he was interviewing Bart Ehrman. See 4:50 of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRx0N4GF0AY
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After fourteen years he went up to Jerusalem...


Abe, you really do rely on arguments from authority...
When one has no evidence, one has to make do with other approaches.
When have I appealed to authority in this thread?
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When one has no evidence, one has to make do with other approaches.
When have I appealed to authority in this thread?
Is that the only other approach?
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Ok Abe, now read it...

Let's do this step by step, as it appears that you prefer to rely on arguments from authority and not, seemingly, on the primary evidence.

What does tertullian say about the first trip to Jerusalem, especially considering that he is arguing against Marcion's rejection of Acts, as he detailed in Chapter one. Obviously, the reference to the first vist would be strong evidence tying The Acts story to the Galatians story. So read it carefully and tell me what you find.
Do you want me to read the whole thing again? Tell me the god-damn evidence. Quote it. Put it in bold. Tell me exactly what your argument is.

Never mind, you won't, and I won't keep on asking. I will, however, keep on bugging you about this.
So Abe, what did Tertullian say about Paul's first visit to Jerusalem?

I'll spell it out for you, as it seems dealing with the actual evidence is a bit above your paygrade, atm...

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2:1Then after the space of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
What Tertullian was reading from:

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2:1Then after the space of fourteen years I went up to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
...

Besides the obvious reasons why the first visit would not appear in the Marcionite texts, here is compelling evidence that, in fact, the passage in question was not there, as it would have significantly helped Tertullians overall argument regarding both Acts and the larger argument regarding the nature of Jesus himself.

Here is the section in question, reconstructed from the anti-heretical apologetics:

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Neither went I up into Jerusalem
to those who were before me apostles;
but I went into Arabia, and again returned into Damascus.
Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and of Cilicia.
After fourteen years I went up to Jerusalem;
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