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Old 12-22-2008, 09:11 AM   #51
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To those Christian readers. You see they don't have anything....anything but ridicule and bad jokes.....
I haven't ridiculed you or made a bad joke. On the contrary, I have refuted everyone of your arguments. And so have others.
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To those Christian readers. You see they don't have anything....anything but ridicule and bad jokes........just as those critics who withstood Christ. Do not be troubled by such arrogant arguments...just as I have found so shall you...they don't have nothing, they really don't. The Word of God will never be destroyed, it will endure to the end, it has endured every since Israel departed from Egypt and so shall it remain....even to the end.

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No we don't have just jokes. We have lots of serious arguments. But your posts just cause laughter. Stop tickling our funny bone. After a while it hurts.

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SugarH.M., I notice (in your post) you're talking to yourself. Does this happen a lot to you? You actually have an audience which dialogues with you and sings the passion of the martyr who suffers the unjust prodding of the wicked, when you feel the heat? That is sad, to say the least. It might be recommendable to get professional help for that.
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Just like my ten year old cuz having fun with those Dinosaur cartoons........rather than doing his homework.
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To those Christian readers.You see they don't have anything....anything but ridicule and bad jokes........
No, you are a bad joke. You keep wasting your time on every post I make, instead of backing up your assertions, because...

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just as those critics who withstood Christ.
meh, they were supposed to according to the fairy tale. If everyone accepted Jesus, the story would've been as lame as Vaseline on toast.

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Do not be troubled by such arrogant arguments...just as I have found so shall you...they don't have nothing, they really don't. The Word of God will never be destroyed, it will endure to the end, it has endured every since Israel departed from Egypt and so shall it remain....even to the end.

Peace.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:09 PM   #54
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To those Christian readers. You see they don't have anything....anything but ridicule and bad jokes........just as those critics who withstood Christ. Do not be troubled by such arrogant arguments...just as I have found so shall you...they don't have nothing, they really don't. The Word of God will never be destroyed, it will endure to the end, it has endured every since Israel departed from Egypt and so shall it remain....even to the end.


Peace.

Mr. Preacherman. How quaint.
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That problem arose because of the decisions of FREE-WILLED BEINGS to do that which is unnatural.




Again you are arguing from an historical point. I am talking about this accusation that the God of the Bible condones genocide against "innocent nations" which in light of the stories of the Israelites wars against the Nephilim (whether you believe or not) this accusation is flawed.
The problem is that I am arguing from reality. That's the problem when you argue within mythology, reality keeps butting it's ugly head in. Now, if you are trying to argue some theological point, which is divorced from reality, then go have fun. The realists among us will, as we have done, make fun of your attempts to spin tales of genocide into something moral and good. It's moral bankruptcy in the form of dogma. With a god, you can justify anything you want and call it good.

That said, standard Jewish angelology (if that is a word), IIRC, has the angels being sexless and rather mindless. They did not have free will, which is one of the reasons the YHVH supposedly made mankind. The Nephilim were probably originally the other sons of El, who were given the other nations to rule, as YHVH was given Israel (or Judah, to be honest I forget which it was at that stage). The "sin", if you will, or even if you won't , was probably that these people worshipped other gods. At least, this was the justification given for what seems to be a naked attempt at stealing land. Granted, this is far from complete, as the situation was far more complex, with YHVH originally only being honored above his fellow gods, but with the origination of monotheism and the primacy of the cult of YHVH, the story changed.

Of course, if we follow the so-called logic of this thread, there would seem to be no innocent nations in the world, and thus we are all worthy of being killed (and tortured forever and ever, since we are dealing with a Christian - can't you feel the love).
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See s8int.com Giants and Giants of the middle East. The first has photos of fossils and tools which put the "myth" argument to the test.


Lol, Cartoons! shm you rule! thanks for the link, it might be a while before I get to the Land of the Giants, though.

Did you post that link just to keep me busy and out of your hair? shame on you shm.
If you do go to the "giants" link, it contains some serious woo. From misunderstanding of genetics and the fossil record, to fraudulent skulls (and other stuff, I'm sure - I only skimmed enough to see how badly they do their pseudoscience). I was tempted to go to the "20th century dinosaurs", but I do have to keep my brain from exploding out of my head in disbelief, so I didn't. I will have to keep this site under my pseudoscience/paranormal BS folder in my browser, though.
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To those Christian readers. You see they don't have anything....anything but ridicule and bad jokes........just as those critics who withstood Christ. Do not be troubled by such arrogant arguments...just as I have found so shall you...they don't have nothing, they really don't. The Word of God will never be destroyed, it will endure to the end, it has endured every since Israel departed from Egypt and so shall it remain....even to the end.

Peace.
No we don't have just jokes. We have lots of serious arguments. But your posts just cause laughter. Stop tickling our funny bone. After a while it hurts.

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SugarH.M., I notice (in your post) you're talking to yourself. Does this happen a lot to you? You actually have an audience which dialogues with you and sings the passion of the martyr who suffers the unjust prodding of the wicked, when you feel the heat? That is sad, to say the least. It might be recommendable to get professional help for that.
Considering that the religion consists of a lot of talking to yourself, this behavior is probably normal under many circumstances. And, to be fair, I have contributed, I think, a bit of laughter and derision, but I'd have to go back and check to be sure, but I am not going to apologize for it. Sometimes the appropriate response is to laugh.:devil1:
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Anyone who thinks the Nephelim were more than Jewish mystical ideas is somewhat not living on the same planet as everyone else. I bet if I asked my local Vicar he'd look at me askance and ask if I was drunk.

For a start angels don't have a sex, there's no reason why they'd breed with humans, and what's more if they did why would they be giants? It's all a fairy tale like Jack and the Beanstalk.
How do you know they couldnt? after all there are many accounts of Angels visiting earth in physical form as MEN.


You don't know.
There are "accounts" of angels coming to earth as men, just as there are accounts of Odin and Zeus visiting mortal men, and of aliens who steal women from their bedrooms and impregnate them with half-alien creatures. None of the accounts are what we would consider "credible". Having something written in a book that you believe tells the literal truth does not translate to "credible".
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Anyone who thinks the Nephelim were more than Jewish mystical ideas is somewhat not living on the same planet as everyone else. I bet if I asked my local Vicar he'd look at me askance and ask if I was drunk.

For a start angels don't have a sex, there's no reason why they'd breed with humans, and what's more if they did why would they be giants? It's all a fairy tale like Jack and the Beanstalk.
Well, I did find out that Angel's do indeed have penis' - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2206793211

(Don't worry, no pictures, so I guess we have to take their word for it). It might indicate a giant size, though...:Cheeky:

Although this might not be so safe (probably not work safe, but I did not check) (what google finds...:constern01: http://www.buckangel.com/

(sorry for all the posts, I now find this more amusing and wanted to add too it)
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Again you are arguing from an historical point. I am talking about this accusation that the God of the Bible condones genocide against "innocent nations" which in light of the stories of the Israelites wars against the Nephilim (whether you believe or not) this accusation is flawed.
The problem is that I am arguing from reality. That's the problem when you argue within mythology, reality keeps butting it's ugly head in. Now, if you are trying to argue some theological point, which is divorced from reality, then go have fun. The realists among us will, as we have done, make fun of your attempts to spin tales of genocide into something moral and good. It's moral bankruptcy in the form of dogma. With a god, you can justify anything you want and call it good.

That said, standard Jewish angelology (if that is a word), IIRC, has the angels being sexless and rather mindless. They did not have free will, which is one of the reasons the YHVH supposedly made mankind. The Nephilim were probably originally the other sons of El, who were given the other nations to rule, as YHVH was given Israel (or Judah, to be honest I forget which it was at that stage). The "sin", if you will, or even if you won't , was probably that these people worshipped other gods. At least, this was the justification given for what seems to be a naked attempt at stealing land. Granted, this is far from complete, as the situation was far more complex, with YHVH originally only being honored above his fellow gods, but with the origination of monotheism and the primacy of the cult of YHVH, the story changed.

Of course, if we follow the so-called logic of this thread, there would seem to be no innocent nations in the world, and thus we are all worthy of being killed (and tortured forever and ever, since we are dealing with a Christian - can't you feel the love).


Ahhh but critics accuse God of Genocide because of the bible "myths" but if these "myths" are about Adamic races dispossessing monstrous hybrids with God's aid (even for those Adamic races who did not acknowledge him) then you cannot accuse him of genocide against "innocent nations."


"we are worthy of being killed"? really? I thought we were worthy of being saved. (Which is why Jesus died on the cross) :huh:
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