Sheshbazzar

This ties in with IBIH's misconceptions about what the Bible teaches about the source of good and evil, as is being discussed in the thread
Dear IBelieveInHymn – What if Satan reads Revelation?

By the words of the Bible, If witches do anything, they also are no more than clay in the Master Potters hand, formed as He will, and imbued with whatever spirit it is that He alone chooses to send to them or restrain.

How is it that throughout most of recorded history, almost all who have been accused of being witches, were actually innocent of all the silly charges brought against them, while the hearts of those religionists who persecuted and prosecuted them were filled to overflowing with ignorance, lies, hatred, and sly devisings as to how they might profit materially or socially by the conducting their 'witch hunts'?
Evidently it was 'an evil spirt from YHWH' that entered into the hearts of these religious nut jobs, turning them into a pack of murders under the guise of their religion.
I read and perceive that hymn singer here is full of that same malicious spirit, and is as approving and ready to kill his fellow man as were those hymn singers who have so long performed their vile deeds before him.

IBelieveInHymn

And why did YHWH command genocide? You don't believe his actions were justified?

You claimed PSALM 137:9 refers to the stoning of little children.

Psalm 137.

The Jews lived in Judah. The country of Babylon was 1000 kilometres to the east. In 586 B.C., the soldiers from Babylon destroyed the capital city of Judah, Jerusalem. B.C. means years Before Christ came to the earth. They took the people that lived there as *prisoners to Babylon. A prisoner is someone in a prison. Or it is someone in a place that they cannot go away from. In 536 B.C. many of the *prisoners and their sons and daughters came back to Jerusalem. In 516 B.C., Persia (now Iran) destroyed Babylon.

If you look at verses 1-3 of the psalm, you will see that he was in Babylon. If you look at verse 8, you will see that Persia has not yet destroyed Babylon. This means that the psalmist probably wrote the psalm between 536 and 516 B.C. We call the time that the Jews were prisoners in Babylon "the exile". There were two great rivers in Babylon, the Tigris and the Euphrates. There were also small rivers. But the people that lived in Babylon made them. They went between the Tigris River and the Euphrates River. We call them canals. By all these rivers and canals, there were trees. Today we would call them poplar or willow trees. The Jews in the exile met by these rivers. They probably talked about Jerusalem and Zion. Zion was one of the hills that they had built the city of Jerusalem on. The psalmist remembered this when he went home. He also remembered that they could not sing songs about the LORD in Babylon. Now he was home again. And he hoped that somebody would destroy Babylon as Babylon had destroyed Jerusalem.

Psalm 137:9 has absolutely nothing to do with killing little children with a rock.

graymouser

Dude. Your holy book has a genocide fantasy in it, as one of its devotional poems. Yes, I admit it's a fantasy - happily for humanity, at least one of the Biblical genocides is fantasy.

Like most thinking human beings of my time, I consider genocide an atrocity and a crime against humanity. The genocides described in the Bible - if they happened - would have been crimes against humanity, and atrocities. Now, I am of the opinion that fortunately, archaeology contradicts the genocide accounts, but I find the idea of worshiping a being who you claim ordered genocide to be revolting. If you think that the events of Joshua, Judges, 1 Samuel and Chronicles happened, and the genocides in them were real and justifiable, then you are a horrible person who worships an evil monster and calls it good.

IBelieveInHymn

Can you supply the verses that supports your claims of (dashing little kids against rocks?)

We are discussing Psalm 137:9

The atrocities commited in the bible was God defeating evil nations that disobeyed him.

And The LORD made it clear that he will defeat evil pagan nations.

But that's besides the point.

I'm still waiting for a follow-up on Psalm 137:9.

I've shown you this verse is an act against those who have done wrong to Israel.

This verse doesn't mean to kill a child with a rock.

Sheshbazzar

This is just a way diverting, and of dodging having to provide real, reasoned and meaningful answers to the harder questions that have been posed to you.

Toto

Mark Twain on witches and the BibleI do not know whether to laugh or cry or vomit over 21st century people using the internet who think that witches exist and must be killed.

arnoldo

Agreed, and Psalm 137:8 makes clear that the genocide/war crimes was in fact taken against the Jews, not the Babylonians, followed by the rhetorical statement of Psalm 137:9. In reference to the innocent, Jonah 4:10-11 provides more insight into this topic.

wordy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_137

that translation makes it rather clear that it is very young children but sure if can be symbols for grown ups but you need to be very strong to do such in reality. A baby you could do it. Dashing? an 80KG grown up is not that easy. dictionary says it means

1. To break or smash by striking violently.
2. To hurl, knock, or thrust with sudden violence.
3. To splash; bespatter.

They say that the one who does this should be happy to be the one that does it.

the free dictionary has a revealing text.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/psalm+137

So Christians self censor this verse or evade it by re-interpret it to be something else.

I say it is cognitive dissonance because they don't dare to take in how extremely violent their religion is.

wordy

I skip this thread now because I get too angry when I get reminded of how bad Christian faith is.

Christians abused my innocence when I was some 2.5 years old. My Dad was in Military and my Mom had to work for rich people to survive and she put me in free Christian Child Care and they forced Jesus on us and I have still no recovered from that abuse.

I hated religionists between 1963 to 1983 and it almost cost me my life so I need to constrain myself from getting into hate gear again by avoiding people who defend Christian texts as is done in thread.

arnoldo

Witches do exist however they must be allowed the freedom to practice their religion (as long as they obey the laws).:wave: