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Celsus · 03-15-2005, 03:51 AM

Probably more than you wanted to know about the Da Vinci Code: here. It's a rip-off of Holy Blood, Holy Grail (Baigent and Leigh are suing, IIRC).

Joel

Hopeful Monsters · 03-15-2005, 05:02 AM

Church fights Da Vinci Code novel

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The Vatican has spoken out against what it says are "shameful and unfounded lies" in the best-selling but highly controversial novel The Da Vinci Code

variant 13 · 03-15-2005, 05:32 AM

EV how could you have missed the quote just below that:

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Cardinal Bertone told Il Giornale: "The book is everywhere. There is a very real risk that many people who read it will believe that the fables it contains are true."

I needed to clean the screen after that. I wonder if he's ever heard the word irony .

Harpy · 03-15-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity

Church fights Da Vinci Code novel

From the BBC article; emphasis mine
"The cardinal told an Italian newspaper: "It astonishes and worries me that so many people believe these lies."
Cardinal Bertone told Il Giornale: "The book is everywhere. There is a very real risk that many people who read it will believe that the fables it contains are true."

err.. which book was he talking about again?

Hopeful Monsters · 03-15-2005, 05:46 AM

Jmebob & Harpy - I have to confess I quickly picked it off the site after hearing it go out on BBC Radio as a fresh news item (it literally was breaking 'news') and I hadn't read it through.

But BOY! How can these guys not see what they are saying :rolling:

What a bunch of saps they are :Cheeky:

EDIT: Death To Irony Meters

Steven Carr · 03-15-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Harpy

From the BBC article; emphasis mine
"The cardinal told an Italian newspaper: "It astonishes and worries me that so many people believe these lies."
Cardinal Bertone told Il Giornale: "The book is everywhere. There is a very real risk that many people who read it will believe that the fables it contains are true."

err.. which book was he talking about again?

not the Bible, which contains the accounts of former fishermen, known for their hard-nosed realism.

(I don't think Cardinal Bertone mixes with many fishermen, at least not those who think they can call down fire from Heaven on the heads of their enemies)

ekl · 03-15-2005, 05:33 PM

You might wanna have a squizz at Church Reacts to Da Vinci Code in GRD - I'd write another reply here but I'd just be repeating myself

Wouldn't want to bore anyone (anymore than I already do, anyway).

gregor2 · 03-15-2005, 05:38 PM

Religious fishermen - can there be any better candidates for the veracity meter?

How about former used car salesmen turned state legislators?

Or statisticians who went to law school?

Jack the Bodiless · 03-16-2005, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Celsus

Probably more than you wanted to know about the Da Vinci Code: here. It's a rip-off of Holy Blood, Holy Grail (Baigent and Leigh are suing, IIRC).

Joel

...Suing on what grounds, I wonder?

Wasn't Holy Blood, Holy Grail presented as fact, rather than fiction? How can Baigent and Leigh claim copyright on a plotline based on allegedly historical events they discovered, rather than invented?

If they now admit that it was fiction in order to sue Brown: surely Brown can respond by saying that he didn't know it was fiction, because they claimed otherwise?

Celsus · 03-16-2005, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

...Suing on what grounds, I wonder?

Wasn't Holy Blood, Holy Grail presented as fact, rather than fiction? How can Baigent and Leigh claim copyright on a plotline based on allegedly historical events they discovered, rather than invented?

If they now admit that it was fiction in order to sue Brown: surely Brown can respond by saying that he didn't know it was fiction, because they claimed otherwise?

See here for example:

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Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh claim that Dan Brown, 39, the former English teacher from New Hampshire, has "lifted the whole architecture" of the research they carried out for their non-fiction work Holy Blood, Holy Grail, which they co-wrote with Henry Lincoln. They claim the similarities between the two books are such they have no choice but to sue Random House, whose imprint Doubleday is the publisher of Brown's novel.

Leigh says: "It's not that Dan Brown has lifted certain ideas because a number of people have done that before. It's rather that he's lifted the whole architecture - the whole jigsaw puzzle - and hung it on the peg of a fictional thriller."

It's pretty absurd really. You're quite right--even admitting that it's fiction now wouldn't help them very much. If they have uncovered the "truth", then there is not much to help them in a lawsuit, since "facts" are hardly copyright. Basically its a case of cakes, having, and eating.

Joel

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03-15-2005, 03:51 AM	#11
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	Probably more than you wanted to know about the Da Vinci Code: here. It's a rip-off of Holy Blood, Holy Grail (Baigent and Leigh are suing, IIRC). Joel

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ekl Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: way way away Posts: 82	You might wanna have a squizz at Church Reacts to Da Vinci Code in GRD - I'd write another reply here but I'd just be repeating myself Wouldn't want to bore anyone (anymore than I already do, anyway).

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gregor2 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: texas Posts: 86	Religious fishermen - can there be any better candidates for the veracity meter? How about former used car salesmen turned state legislators? Or statisticians who went to law school?

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