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Chris Weimer · 09-29-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fredhsu

Amen, just like how I portrayed him in the short story I posted

Yes, on that front, you were probably right. It's Billy Graham I was making a point about.

GenesisNemesis · 09-29-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chimaira

Was Jesus Jewish? does a Jew abolish the Sabbath? does a Jew abolish the laws mosaic? does a Jew say that he is the generated son of God? does a Jew speak about trinity? a Jew known as it which he did come sau worm the world by his sacrifice ? etc...

Why should I trust a false "Work of God" with errors in it?

Unes · 09-29-2006, 10:07 PM

Thank you Toto, I appreciate the correction of my site address.

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Originally Posted by luminous

If Peter rejected Paul's revelations then why does he call Paul in 2 Peter 3:15-16 a "beloved brother"?

2 Peter 3:15-16 "...just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Dear luminous,
There are a lot of material in the Holy Bible which it is hard to know who created them and when they were produced. Many passages were added later on and for having legitimacy they were forged under some Apostles' name. So it is impossible to pin point the history of the passages.

Apostle Peter was a cool fellow and he mediated on Paul's behalf in the earlier meeting in Jerusalem community. The passage does not indicate that after the incident they hated each other. They all still were Jews and they all were part of Jesus community. But they had their differences how to apply Judaism and how to promote their movement.

The significance of the incident which I took as evidence it comes from the accepted material of the Holy Bible. So the ramification of this incident is undeniable.

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Originally Posted by chimaira

Was Jesus Jewish? does a Jew abolish the Sabbath? does a Jew abolish the laws mosaic? does a Jew say that he is the generated son of God? does a Jew speak about trinity? a Jew known as it which he did come sau worm the world by his sacrifice ? etc...

Dear chimaira,
I am puzzled by your post. The trust of my argument is that all those changes to the Judaism was initiated by Apostle Paul on his own initiation and he used Jesus' fame to promote his vision.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

luminous · 09-30-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Unes

Dear luminous,
There are a lot of material in the Holy Bible which it is hard to know who created them and when they were produced. Many passages were added later on and for having legitimacy they were forged under some Apostles' name. So it is impossible to pin point the history of the passages.

Apostle Peter was a cool fellow and he mediated on Paul's behalf in the earlier meeting in Jerusalem community. The passage does not indicate that after the incident they hated each other. They all still were Jews and they all were part of Jesus community. But they had their differences how to apply Judaism and how to promote their movement.

The significance of the incident which I took as evidence it comes from the accepted material of the Holy Bible. So the ramification of this incident is undeniable.

Precisely the response I expected. Now, on what basis do you disregard the passage I quoted but accept the passage that you quoted?

chimaira · 09-30-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Unes

Thank you Toto, I appreciate the correction of my site address.

Dear luminous,
There are a lot of material in the Holy Bible which it is hard to know who created them and when they were produced. Many passages were added later on and for having legitimacy they were forged under some Apostles' name. So it is impossible to pin point the history of the passages.

Apostle Peter was a cool fellow and he mediated on Paul's behalf in the earlier meeting in Jerusalem community. The passage does not indicate that after the incident they hated each other. They all still were Jews and they all were part of Jesus community. But they had their differences how to apply Judaism and how to promote their movement.

The significance of the incident which I took as evidence it comes from the accepted material of the Holy Bible. So the ramification of this incident is undeniable.

Dear chimaira,
I am puzzled by your post. The trust of my argument is that all those changes to the Judaism was initiated by Apostle Paul on his own initiation and he used Jesus' fame to promote his vision.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

Sorry,the demonstration is good, it is right a detail on Jewish Jesus "being hellenisé" who disturbed me, still afflicted.

chimaira · 09-30-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

Why should I trust a false "Work of God" with errors in it?

what leaves the rigor obligatorily false historiqueest? I do not know.

Unes · 09-30-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by luminous

Precisely the response I expected. Now, on what basis do you disregard the passage I quoted but accept the passage that you quoted?

Dear luminous,
Where did I reject your quote? Can you find out the date that your quote was added to the New Testament?
I wrote: The passage does not indicate that after the incident they hated each other. They all still were Jews and they all were part of Jesus community. But they had their differences how to apply Judaism and how to promote their movement.

luminous, there are hundreds conflicting passages in the Holy Bible. Discussing them would be debates with no end! I am not interested to debate on those. This passage which I focused in is revealing some important information. I don't know how you can ignore that?

luminous, what you are suggesting that there are other passages in the Holy Bible that you like. That is fine. But all of those passages should be in harmony on their own with each other. This is like the executives of Enrun corporation, they did thousands of transactions which all were fine, but they did one bad thing which was deceiving the public, and for that they got convicted.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

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