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Old 02-28-2009, 11:19 PM   #41
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Again, we all apply the basic principle that reports/testimonies of any kind have to match the observable reality. If they don't, we assume in all likeliness that what is being reported is bogus.
No. We all believe what we find credible and that usually matches what we think of as normal. And normal is subjective. Otherwise, we would never disagree. Admittedly, that's being pedantic.

Underneath this discussion is the proposition that there is one objective reality where a man can't rise from the dead. And that's Kodak-moment true. But that doesn't mean anyone who reports visions or messages in dreams or the dead rising lacks all credibility if such phenomena were the norm of their time.

To capture such a time, you can't excise what is fantastic for us because it motivated them. The miraculous didn't happen in the sense that your sony could capture it but it often did in the sense that people believed they saw something or believed when they heard of something and then acted on that something. That, you must bear in mind when you read history.

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No one in this thread is claiming that, to my knowledge.
Well, we could change all that. Eusebius reports Porphyry to have written just "that" - in the very late 3rd or very early 4th century. In the year 2009, it has been made clear that it is not conducive to pursue such claims on the basis that they obviously represent the engagement of a "Hobby Horse" of some form, and such behaviour is now considered "unbecoming without evidence" and since it disturbs (perhaps unnecessarily) the entire herd of HJ Hobby Horses and/or Donkeys
I knew you were out there Pete. BTW, I'm still trying to get my head around Hellenes == Greek Jews and not just plain Greeks for your Gentile thread. Chasing around received wisdom is not as easy as it looks.
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Again, we all apply the basic principle that reports/testimonies of any kind have to match the observable reality.
If we know what the "observable reality" is, in advance, we don't need the reports. If we don't, then this would seem not useful advice.

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That's not a "useful advice", that a basic principle that every rational person applies.

We know what the observable reality is by observing reality, by the way. Not by reading historical texts.
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The miraculous didn't happen in the sense that your sony could capture it
Why do you say that?
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Nice irrelevant non sequitur, Roger.
Nice tautology, Amaleq13.
I'm somewhat fond of the emphasis of redundancy regardless of what my English teachers might think. Them and their bossy rules.

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I doubt there will be much more. There is sometimes one last burst of squid ink to hide the escape and then the wait begins anew.
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....and we are all aware of how people are currently campaigning to make us cringe reflexively at the idea of criticising Islam.
Sheesh! Talk about delusional...

What I am see more often is a struggle by more sensible figures to discourage the hysterical cries of 'terrorists' and 'send them back home' whenever Muslims are mentioned.

Criticism of Islam is pretty widespread and the biggest problem with it is that it often comes hand in hand with racism and xenophobia. Trying to calm the hysteria is not the same as whitewashing Islam.
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