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River · 09-14-2004, 01:45 PM

http://www.mediamonitors.net/michaelwolfe1.html

Islam: The Next American Religion?

by Michael Wolfe

The U.S. began as a haven for Christian outcasts. But what religion fits our current zeitgeist? The answer may be Islam.

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The rest of the article can be read at the link posted above.

Space Chef · 09-14-2004, 02:27 PM

Here we go...

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Americans, who mostly associate Islamic government with a handful of tyrants, may find this independent spirit surprising, supposing that Muslims are somehow predisposed to passive submission. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yeah, considering how great Islamic government has worked before. Look at... um... wait, what about... no... well damn if I can think of one.

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The dictators reigning today in the Middle East are not the result of Islamic principles.

I agree. Just look at how peaceful the reign of the four caliphs were. Sarcasm, anyone?

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Islam contains an attractive mystical tradition. Mysticism is grounded in the individual search for God. Where better to do that than in America, land of individualists and spiritual seekers?

Didn't Muslims try that in India? :huh:

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Meanwhile, this egalitarian streak also plays itself out in relations between the sexes.

As long as the bitch takes the cock.

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Islam is tolerant of other faiths. Like America, Islam has a history of respecting other religions. In Muhammad's day, Christians, Sabeans, and Jews in Muslim lands retained their own courts and enjoyed considerable autonomy. As Islam spread east toward India and China, it came to view Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, and Buddhism as valid paths to salvation.

:rolling: What about those of us who don't believe in any gods?

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The return of the Jews to Jerusalem, after centuries as outcasts, only came about after Muslims took the city in 638. The first thing the Muslims did there was to rescue the Temple Mount,...

And build a mosque.

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The Pilgrim landing at Plymouth Rock is not the world's first story of religious emigration. Muhammad and his little band of 100 followers fled religious persecution, too, from Mecca in the year 622. They only survived by going to Madinah, an oasis a few hundred miles north, where they established a new community based on a religion they could only practice secretly back home.

Another connection: both groups committed genocide.

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Perhaps it won't be long now before words like salat (Muslim prayer) and Ramadan join karma and Nirvana in Webster's Dictionary, and Muslims take their place in America's mainstream.

Um, Ramadan is in Webster's.

River, here's a question for you: Will I still be able to view gay pornography and have sexual relations with other men in your utopia?

River · 09-14-2004, 02:33 PM

Space Chef,

The post was not intended for you...or other blasphemous comedians.

Space Chef · 09-14-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by River

Space Chef,

The post was not intended for you...or other blasphemous comedians.

Could you atleast answer my three questions? Here they are again:

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Didn't Muslims try that in India?

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What about those of us who don't believe in any gods?

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Will I still be able to view gay pornography and have sexual relations with other men in your utopia?

Triple Six · 09-14-2004, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by River

Space Chef,

The post was not intended for you...or other blasphemous comedians.

Who was it intended for then? This isn't an islamic apologetic site, go somewhere else if you want unquestioning "yes sirs" to your claims.

River · 09-14-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud atheist

Who was it intended for then? This isn't an islamic apologetic site, go somewhere else if you want unquestioning "yes sirs" to your claims.

:notworthy

Mughal · 09-14-2004, 05:32 PM

Looks like this guy learned his islam in a hurry.

He does not mention even a single problem with islam. May be he has not bothered reading the quran and hadith for himself or met any true muslims. What a silly guy pushing something to everyone without knowing anythiung much about it himself.

09-15-2004, 02:23 AM

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As Islam spread east toward India and China, it came to view Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, and Buddhism as valid paths to salvation.

I suppose that's why the Taleban destroyed the wonderful Buddhas of Bamiyan in the name of islam.

Mughal · 09-15-2004, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DMB

I suppose that's why the Taleban destroyed the wonderful Buddhas of Bamiyan in the name of islam.

Dear DMB,

I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Sorry I couldn't resist that.

River · 09-15-2004, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mughal

Looks like this guy learned his islam in a hurry.

Actually Michael Wolfe studied Islam for over 30 years before he finally converted. His mother is Christian and his father is Jewish.

09-14-2004, 01:45 PM	#1
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	ISLAM: The NEXT American Religion? by Michael Wolfe http://www.mediamonitors.net/michaelwolfe1.html Islam: The Next American Religion? by Michael Wolfe The U.S. began as a haven for Christian outcasts. But what religion fits our current zeitgeist? The answer may be Islam. <snip> The rest of the article can be read at the link posted above.

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River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	Space Chef, The post was not intended for you...or other blasphemous comedians.

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Mughal Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Islamabad, Pakistan & Glasgow, UK Posts: 1,525	Looks like this guy learned his islam in a hurry. He does not mention even a single problem with islam. May be he has not bothered reading the quran and hadith for himself or met any true muslims. What a silly guy pushing something to everyone without knowing anythiung much about it himself.

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