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savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:16 AM

Gary Habermas wrote The Verdict of History, 1988. In it he shows 39 ancient sources documenting the life of Jesus: 100 facts concerning Jesus' life, crucifixion, and resurrection.

24 of those sources, including 7 secular and several earliest creeds of the church, specifically concern the divine nature of Jesus.

Therefore, the doctrine of the deity of Christ was present in the earliest church.

Chris Weimer · 04-10-2006, 09:19 AM

Could you please list the sources so we can check the facts out for ourselves? Remember - we're supposed to be freethinkers and skeptics here - I won't ever take you on your word.

Bboyneko · 04-10-2006, 09:21 AM

Jesus existed. The bible says so.

savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:22 AM

I could list the sources, yes.

savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:24 AM

The Bible does say so, yes.

Chris Weimer · 04-10-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by savedforgod

I could list the sources, yes.

Then why don't you, please?

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Originally Posted by Bboyneko

Jesus existed. The bible says so.

Way to oversimplify things! The Bible says a lot of things, many of which are untrue. Why would you trust the Bible?

savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:30 AM

Since we know that Jesus said he was God and for the years Jesus taught the disciples to immediately after death people thought he was God, then the only way he was not God is if he sinned, which there is no record of.

Since no man in the history of the human race has been able to not sin, the Son of Man is so distinct that the only explanation for his sinlessness and selfless sacrifice on the cross is because he is God.

There is no other reasonable possibility.

savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:31 AM

The Bible doesn't say anything untrue. For example, name the one thing you are absolutely certain you think the Bible says is untrue, and I will show you that it is true.

Amaleq13 · 04-10-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by savedforgod

The Bible doesn't say anything untrue. For example, name the one thing you are absolutely certain you think the Bible says is untrue, and I will show you that it is true.

Instead of launching into a discussion that certainly warrants its own thread, why not finish what you started here and present the evidence you believe supports your OP assertion?

savedforgod · 04-10-2006, 09:38 AM

I am not sure I should. I have to pray on it.

04-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#1
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	The Case for Christ - The Verdict of History Gary Habermas wrote The Verdict of History, 1988. In it he shows 39 ancient sources documenting the life of Jesus: 100 facts concerning Jesus' life, crucifixion, and resurrection. 24 of those sources, including 7 secular and several earliest creeds of the church, specifically concern the divine nature of Jesus. Therefore, the doctrine of the deity of Christ was present in the earliest church.

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04-10-2006, 09:19 AM	#2
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Could you please list the sources so we can check the facts out for ourselves? Remember - we're supposed to be freethinkers and skeptics here - I won't ever take you on your word.

04-10-2006, 09:21 AM	#3
Bboyneko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Savage, MD Posts: 553	Jesus existed. The bible says so.

04-10-2006, 09:22 AM	#4
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	I could list the sources, yes.

04-10-2006, 09:24 AM	#5
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	The Bible does say so, yes.

04-10-2006, 09:30 AM	#7
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	Since we know that Jesus said he was God and for the years Jesus taught the disciples to immediately after death people thought he was God, then the only way he was not God is if he sinned, which there is no record of. Since no man in the history of the human race has been able to not sin, the Son of Man is so distinct that the only explanation for his sinlessness and selfless sacrifice on the cross is because he is God. There is no other reasonable possibility.

04-10-2006, 09:31 AM	#8
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	The Bible doesn't say anything untrue. For example, name the one thing you are absolutely certain you think the Bible says is untrue, and I will show you that it is true.

04-10-2006, 09:38 AM	#10
savedforgod Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256	I am not sure I should. I have to pray on it.

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