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Old 01-10-2013, 04:03 PM   #21
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we need someone good at searching through the bible.
could it be another verse they tell him that the supposed
to be good at it healers had failed so they challenged
if jesus was as good as claimed?

Guys my memory is not to be trusted that way
but my gut feeling is that the text does refer to these
Therapeutae somethign but maybe don't mention that term
could it be the comments in some Bible from the Translators
giving their understanding and the text itself only mention
Healers or something. Did they mention a Bath and that
it was used for to heal persons? Sorry I have to give up
I get headache thinking about it.
Thanks worldly,

You may be thinking about The Pool of Bethesda

See John 5.1,9

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The Pool of Bethesda is a pool of water in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem, on the path of the Beth Zeta Valley. The Gospel of John describes such a pool in Jerusalem, near the Sheep Gate, which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. It is associated with healing.


History

The history of the pool began in the 8th century BC, when a dam was built across the short Beth Zeta valley, turning it into a reservoir for rain water;[24][25][26] a sluice-gate in the dam allowed the height to be controlled, and a rock-cut channel brought a steady stream of water from the reservoir into the city[24] The reservoir became known as the Upper Pool (בריכה העליונה). Around 200 BC, during the period in which Simon II was the Jewish High Priest, the channel was enclosed, and a second pool was added on the south side of the dam;[24][25][26] although popular legend argues that this pool was used for washing sheep, this is very unlikely due to the pool's use as a water supply, and its extreme depth (13m).

In the 1st century BC, natural caves to the east of the two pools were turned into small baths, as part of an asclepieion;[24][27] however, the Mishnah implies that at least one of these new pools was sacred to Fortuna,[28] the goddess of fortune, rather than Asclepius, the god of healing.[29] Scholars think it likely that this development was founded by the Roman garrison of the nearby Antonia Fortress,[24] who would also have been able to protect it from attack[27] the location of the asclepieion, outside the then city walls, would have made its presence tolerable to the Jews, who might otherwise have objected to a non-Jewish religious presence in their holy city.[27]

In the mid 1st century AD, Herod Agrippa expanded the city walls, bringing the asclepieion into the city. When Hadrian rebuilt Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina, he placed a roadway along the dam, and expanded the asclepieion into a large temple to Asclepius and Serapis.[24] In the Byzantine era, the asclepieion was converted to a church.

An article from http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/bethesda.htm

Jesus steals the magic of Asclepius!

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“And when the Devil brings forward Asclepius as the raiser of the dead and healer of all diseases, may I not say that in this matter likewise he has imitated the prophecies about Christ?”

– Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 69.

The archaeology for the temples of Asclepius is literally everywhere about the Roman Empire during the first three centuries. These temples were essentially healing places and might be analogized as the public hospital system of antiquity. All students of the history of medicine learn about the physicians who were associated with these temples.

Galen calls himself one of the therapeutae of Asclepius.
But the passage in John was about the midlife, midwinter, midnight event to the man who was 38.

The five pilar support speak on this, which about the time in life when new life begins for the Jew, like it did for Joseph in the Gospels.

No magic there, like dunking somebody and is healed when he comes up.

"Beth Zeta valley" sounds like the valley of the Ganges to me, where a Body tree did it for Siddharta.
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Who were the therapeutae in antiquity?
You ought to know by now, the tune is an old one. Bullneck & Co, in the name of Christ Jebus slaughtered 'em all and burned all of the evidence.
Leaving us not much to talk about.
Very good Shesh but they could not burn the archaeology and from the ubiquitous presence of the temples to Asclepius were may infer a large population of temple attendants, who called themselves "therapeutae".

Biblical scholarship (and I use the word very loosely) has its Christian glasses on reading Philo's description of the therapeutae while ignoring truckloads of archaeology attesting to the therapeutae of Asclepius.

Philo's description of the therapeutae separates these people from the temples but it may be that they did not work full time year in year out but had some rostered time for a therapeutic recreation leave on regular basis and that they gathered near Alexandria when they were not rostered on within the equivalent of the state public hospital system of antiquity.
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Not much to talk about, other then a little known hellenistic community.
The Asclepian network of temples do represent a little known hellenistic community to those who have not examined them. Do some homework.
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θεραπευτής* comes from a root that means "to attend" usually the gods
The therapeutae of Asclepius were the attendants to the healing God Asclepius and may be seen as the physicians and their attendants to the head physician-priest of each temple. They would be the equivalent of the modern day staff attending the public hospitals in countries which have a reasonable public hospital system. For Christ sake see Galen.
Nono, money traders were in the temple and healers were in the pool. I think they tried that dunking technique later again but it does not work with Christians who kept drowning instead.
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You ought to know by now, the tune is an old one. Bullneck & Co, in the name of Christ Jebus slaughtered 'em all and burned all of the evidence.
Leaving us not much to talk about.
Very good Shesh but they could not burn the archaeology and from the ubiquitous presence of the temples to Asclepius were may infer a large population of temple attendants, who called themselves "therapeutae".

Biblical scholarship (and I use the word very loosely) has its Christian glasses on reading Philo's description of the therapeutae while ignoring truckloads of archaeology attesting to the therapeutae of Asclepius.

Philo's description of the therapeutae separates these people from the temples but it may be that they did not work full time year in year out but had some rostered time for a therapeutic recreation leave on regular basis and that they gathered near Alexandria when they were not rostered on within the equivalent of the state public hospital system of antiquity.
Kind of make sure that you are sick when we are here. And I suppose those diggers all have a PhD too?
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Not much to talk about, other then a little known hellenistic community.
The Asclepian network of temples do represent a little known hellenistic community to those who have not examined them. Do some homework.

Your confusing the two.

How much influence is the only question.
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The Asclepian network of temples do represent a little known hellenistic community to those who have not examined them. Do some homework.

Your confusing the two.

How much influence is the only question.
Roman Emperors up until Diocletian sponsored Asclepius.

How much influence did the emperors have?

Are you serious?
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Your confusing the two.

How much influence is the only question.
Roman Emperors up until Diocletian sponsored Asclepius.

How much influence did the emperors have?

Are you serious?

You have nothing but confusion, trying to tie the two together. have you or have you not been trying to pass this off all over the net?


Have you imagined this sect, or do you have something real without playing connect the mental dots?
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Have you imagined this sect,
Here is the imagination at work ....

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The Therapeutae were a Jewish sect which flourished in Alexandria and other parts of the Diaspora of Hellenistic Judaism in the final years of the Second Temple period.
There is no evidence of this Jewish sect.

They are imaginary.


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Have you glanced through this table?

Have you managed to convince yourself that the therapeutae of Asclepius did not exist?

The evidence suggests that a Jewish sect called the therapeutae did not exist. However the evidence does suggest that a collective and collegiate group of attendants and assistants and physicians who staffed the network of temples of Asclepius and who knew themselves as the therapeutae of Asclepius did exist.

Which of these two therapeutae were real and which were imaginary?
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There is no evidence for any of your claims. At least these claims were established before the internet became a meeting place lonely people.
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