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Deacon Doubtmonger · 12-10-2004, 11:10 PM

Then there's the seventh-day adventist answer: god will cause those in heaven to forget those in hell. This tampering with memories is held to be a loving and merciful act. (I actually saw this in one of their tracts decades ago, but I've long since forgotten the bible verse(s) cited to support it.)

the shadow · 12-11-2004, 11:17 AM

If you get sick there are only two things you need to worry about.
You will get better or you will die.

If you get better there is nothing to worry about. If you die there are only two things you have to worry about.

You will go to heaven or you will be going to hell.

If you go to heaven you have nothing to worry about.

And if you go to hell you will be so busy shaking hands with all the people you know you won't have time to worry.

hinduwoman · 12-11-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldarion Lathria

That is the peculiar alchemy of forever. It converts everything into boredom. That's why no-one has ever imagined a really desireable heaven. The christian/jewish heaven is boring, lobotomized people standing around flattering god. The muslim heaven is more fun, if you like deflowering virgins and drinking fruit juice all day. But that soon palls. The Asatru heaven is the most fun, if you are into the Society for Creative Anachronism. You fight all day and party all night. And you don't have to do it forever. Bymeby comes Ragnarok, and you die, finally, fighting for Odin. The Hindu and Buddhist heavens I know little about, but I understand eventually they end in Nirvana.

There are many things I like to do. There are more I'd like to try. But after I've done them a few million times, I would be heartily sick of all of them.

Eldarion Lathria

In Hinduism after you have been roasted in hell according to your demerits and pampered in the lower heavens according to your merits (apparently the celestial bureacracy kindly allows you to choose which one you shall undergo first) you are sent back to earth to be reborn.
When one apprehends God fully he is free from this cycle and attains Nirvana.

hinduwoman · 12-11-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by newtype_alpha

Ah hah!!!!!

You may just be onto something, and I believe others in here already stated that hell is merely "the absence of God." This is very easy to support, after all Jesus described hell as "the outer darkness," or otherwise stated that he would tell the hellbound, "away from me, ye workers of iniquity!" Basically, if you don't want to be in the house with God, God is going to kick you out... anything "out" is hell.

That isn't automatically a place of torture, expecially if you subscribe to a more OT interpretation that there are, in fact, many gods. Getting kicked out of the Kingdom of Heaven might not be such a bad thing if you think about it; In heaven there is no beer, no fornication, no pork, no violent movies, and none of those cute Pagan goddesses roaming about. The Aphrodite and the Nymphs are all OUTSIDE the kingdom :thumbs:

If hell is merely the absence of God, then are not athestis already in hell?
But from the reaction of iidb regulars they are enjoyiong themselves, so hell cannot be too bad. Right? :Cheeky:

the shadow · 12-11-2004, 07:24 PM

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

Take this test and see what level of Hell you will be going to or are already in.

newtype_alpha · 12-11-2004, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hinduwoman

If hell is merely the absence of God, then are not athestis already in hell?
But from the reaction of iidb regulars they are enjoyiong themselves, so hell cannot be too bad. Right? :Cheeky:

Indeed

If hell is seperation from God, and in fact I am currently in hell right now, then not only do I have no use whatsoever for God, I also have yet another reason to believe that he's not as good and his enemies not as bad as he or his buddies like to think. :thumbs:

An eternity of this? Doesn't sound so bad. At least in "hell" there are no preachers or Jehovas Witnesses :devil3:

Godless Wonder · 12-11-2004, 08:58 PM

I can see in the Bible the notion that hell is the grave, or that hell is the flames, but not separation from God, I don't see that.

At the end of Matthew, ch. 25, supposedly Jesus talking:

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25:041 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Some would say... ah, but only the fire is everlasting, that's where souls are destroyed (supporting the hell == grave view)

But:

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25:046 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Nope, sorry. Everlasting punishment according to Jesus. The notion that hell == separation from God and nothing more is just the Christian way of making their God out to be less of a monster than the Bible describes.

Dave Roberts · 12-11-2004, 11:56 PM

I read where someone had figured out the temperatures of heaven and hell, using The Bible as a reference.
His figures showed Heaven to be hotter than Hell.
If I'm remembering correctly, he used "Sea of Brimstone" and a reference to the moons' radiant heat in his figures.
I'll be able to give you the verses he used sometime next week, unless someone comes up with them first.

Dave Roberts · 12-12-2004, 12:01 AM

This'll work....tell a friend :thumbs:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hell_tem.htm

Thank your local religious friends for trying to convert you for an eternal afterlife of fire.

WCH · 12-12-2004, 12:06 AM

I recall a somewhat satirical essay written by a student on whether Hell is heating up or cooling down. Among his arguments were such things as, "[girl's name] once told me that she would go out with me if hell freezes over. Since she has yet to go out with me, we can conclude that hell has not frozen over" and "To tell whether Hell is heating or cooling, we must establish whether more souls enter it or leave it. Given that we are to accept all religions as true, and there is more than one religion which says that everyone who does not follow it is going to Hell, we can conclude that every single human being goes to Hell. Since there is no indication that these souls will ever leave, it is safe to say that Hell will continue to rise in temperature."

:rolling:

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12-10-2004, 11:10 PM	#11
Deacon Doubtmonger Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Level 6, Inside a Burning Tomb Posts: 1,494	Then there's the seventh-day adventist answer: god will cause those in heaven to forget those in hell. This tampering with memories is held to be a loving and merciful act. (I actually saw this in one of their tracts decades ago, but I've long since forgotten the bible verse(s) cited to support it.)

12-11-2004, 11:17 AM	#12
the shadow Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 65	If you get sick there are only two things you need to worry about. You will get better or you will die. If you get better there is nothing to worry about. If you die there are only two things you have to worry about. You will go to heaven or you will be going to hell. If you go to heaven you have nothing to worry about. And if you go to hell you will be so busy shaking hands with all the people you know you won't have time to worry.

12-11-2004, 07:24 PM	#15
the shadow Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 65	http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv Take this test and see what level of Hell you will be going to or are already in.

12-11-2004, 11:56 PM	#18
Dave Roberts Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,440	I read where someone had figured out the temperatures of heaven and hell, using The Bible as a reference. His figures showed Heaven to be hotter than Hell. If I'm remembering correctly, he used "Sea of Brimstone" and a reference to the moons' radiant heat in his figures. I'll be able to give you the verses he used sometime next week, unless someone comes up with them first.

12-12-2004, 12:01 AM	#19
Dave Roberts Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,440	This'll work....tell a friend :thumbs: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hell_tem.htm Thank your local religious friends for trying to convert you for an eternal afterlife of fire.

12-12-2004, 12:06 AM	#20
WCH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,290	I recall a somewhat satirical essay written by a student on whether Hell is heating up or cooling down. Among his arguments were such things as, "[girl's name] once told me that she would go out with me if hell freezes over. Since she has yet to go out with me, we can conclude that hell has not frozen over" and "To tell whether Hell is heating or cooling, we must establish whether more souls enter it or leave it. Given that we are to accept all religions as true, and there is more than one religion which says that everyone who does not follow it is going to Hell, we can conclude that every single human being goes to Hell. Since there is no indication that these souls will ever leave, it is safe to say that Hell will continue to rise in temperature." :rolling:

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