Eldarion Lathria

Since Israel has nuclear weapons, and anybody with even iron chariots can kick Yahweh's ass it's far more likely that Jesus will get disintegrated.

Eldarion Lathria

Godless Dave

Not to be an alarmist or anything, but here's one possible scenario I can imagine.

Israel caputures enough additional land to satisfy all the prophecy-believing wingnuts. But Jesus doesn't come back. So they wait until all the captured land is under reasonably stable government (some of them may recruit mercenaries to help pacify the region). Still no Jesus. Some wingnut Christians breed a completely red bull calf (should that be bullock?). They give it to some wingnut Jews to sacrifice. Still no Jesus. They decide the bullock wasn't entirely without blemish and/or they gave it to the wrong variety of wingnut Jews. They try it again. And again. Still no second coming. Finally someone says, "Hey, maybe we're already in the Tribulation, and we're supposed to kill the Jews that haven't accepted Jesus yet." They find some verse or other to back this up and make with the righteous slaughtering.


Just one possible scenario. Keep in mind that, like Han Solo, I can imagine quite a bit.

Magus55

I find it hilarious that people still bring up the stupid iron chariot argument as though it actually is valid. It is a stupid argument against God, and makes you look ignorant. Drop it already. The Creator of the Universe is not affected by a material element. He made Iron.

Amaleq13

I agree that taking the Bible literally can often result in hilarious claims but what is your understanding of the reason why Judah was unable to drive out the inhabitants of the valley even though the Lord was with him?

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Judges 1:19, KJV)

Eldarion Lathria

Wrong, iron is made by natural processes in supernovae, not by your piddling desert demon. The Universe had no creator. Your measly desert devil was created by a gaggle of lying priests who wanted to control the people.

Eldarion Lathria

Magus55

Judah couldn't drive out the inhabitants because they had chariots. It is a different clause. I don't think there is any correlation between God being with Judah, and Judah driving out the inhabitants. The verse says nothing about God actually helping Judah drive the people away.

proudliberal

What lord were they referring to?

Magus55

Sure, whatever you say.

proudliberal

We know that the lord was with judah(on their side to help most likely)

The lord drove out the inhabitants(proof the lord helped out or did it itself)

Could not drive out the inhabitants because they had chariots of iron

It speaks for itself.

The lord could not not would not because of lack of omniwhatever.

Amaleq13

Actually, there are many examples in Hebrew Scripture of the phrase associated with military victories and as well as the general success of the faithful so it would seem implied that the author meant to indicate the same. Unless the phrase is some sort of random non sequitur, which I assume you don't claim, it either connects with the previously described military victories or the subsequent victory over the inhabitants of the mountains or both.

Most Christian commentaries I know of tend to read into this passage an implication that Judah and his army allowed their fear of the iron chariots to overcome their faith in the Lord and, thereby, caused the Lord to no longer be with them to assure victory.

It seems to me this passage is just an example of the faithful assuming victories should be attributed to god while failures should be attributed to the weakness of the individual.