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Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:28 PM

You don't need to assume anything. Paul said Peter and James saw Jesus alive from the dead and met them. He reports what they told him.

Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Luke reports the resurrection appearances to both Paul and others and does not distinquish either, for they were bodily where Thomas puts his hands in the side, and they hate with Jesus and talked to Him and walked with Him. That is the genuine reading of the text.

Kapyong · 08-21-2009, 03:31 PM

Gday,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biblo

Paul said Peter and James saw Jesus alive from the dead and met them. He reports what they told him.

Wrong.
Again.
Paul did not say that at all.

Which is why you ALWAYS FAIL to provide quotes.
You've never read the NT, have you ?

K.

Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:32 PM

The very ones who originally saw Jesus alive from the dead are the very ones Paul met. How strange Jesus wouldn't appear in the various group settings giving by the original Apostles John and Matthew, but to others instead and that Paul failed to address their eyewitnessing Jesus when he met them. Funny.

Do you see the lack of genuineness in your heart? That is a heart that is eternally separated from God.

badger3k · 08-21-2009, 03:33 PM

I did manage to find this bit by Richard Carrier on Habermas and his resurrection hypothesis. He does address the visionary nature (IIRC). And a podcast feed of the Infidel Guy show with Habermas (here) - IIRC it was an interesting show, but I think there are others. I'd have to check at home for my 'casts and debates to see what else I have.

Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:34 PM

Read 1 Cor. 15 again, Paul said all that.

Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:34 PM

It's not a vision because other people present observed it also. Therefore, it has an objective reference.

Biblo · 08-21-2009, 03:35 PM

I watched and listened to all those debates. Gary R. Habermas is the best. And William Lane Craig makes Carrier look like a fool. Habermas did a good job of humbling Carrier too in that audio. I feel sorry for Carrier.

badger3k · 08-21-2009, 03:36 PM

Are we sure this isn't some Eliza-type thing. I read a bit, go do some research, construct a post to (maybe) use, and when I come back from the other tab, I see Biblio make two or three non-sensical posts and he's gone like a drive-by. A troll is only so much fun, but I have a graduation to get to, so I'll have to catch this later and see if Biblio answers any questions or gives any evidence.

badger3k · 08-21-2009, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biblo

It's not a vision because other people present observed it also. Therefore, it has an objective reference.

Just like Fatima, right?

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08-21-2009, 03:28 PM	#101
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	You don't need to assume anything. Paul said Peter and James saw Jesus alive from the dead and met them. He reports what they told him.

08-21-2009, 03:30 PM	#102
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	Luke reports the resurrection appearances to both Paul and others and does not distinquish either, for they were bodily where Thomas puts his hands in the side, and they hate with Jesus and talked to Him and walked with Him. That is the genuine reading of the text.

08-21-2009, 03:32 PM	#104
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	The very ones who originally saw Jesus alive from the dead are the very ones Paul met. How strange Jesus wouldn't appear in the various group settings giving by the original Apostles John and Matthew, but to others instead and that Paul failed to address their eyewitnessing Jesus when he met them. Funny. Do you see the lack of genuineness in your heart? That is a heart that is eternally separated from God.

08-21-2009, 03:33 PM	#105
badger3k Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 1,388	I did manage to find this bit by Richard Carrier on Habermas and his resurrection hypothesis. He does address the visionary nature (IIRC). And a podcast feed of the Infidel Guy show with Habermas (here) - IIRC it was an interesting show, but I think there are others. I'd have to check at home for my 'casts and debates to see what else I have.

08-21-2009, 03:34 PM	#106
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	Read 1 Cor. 15 again, Paul said all that.

08-21-2009, 03:34 PM	#107
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	It's not a vision because other people present observed it also. Therefore, it has an objective reference.

08-21-2009, 03:35 PM	#108
Biblo Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 171	I watched and listened to all those debates. Gary R. Habermas is the best. And William Lane Craig makes Carrier look like a fool. Habermas did a good job of humbling Carrier too in that audio. I feel sorry for Carrier.

08-21-2009, 03:36 PM	#109
badger3k Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 1,388	Are we sure this isn't some Eliza-type thing. I read a bit, go do some research, construct a post to (maybe) use, and when I come back from the other tab, I see Biblio make two or three non-sensical posts and he's gone like a drive-by. A troll is only so much fun, but I have a graduation to get to, so I'll have to catch this later and see if Biblio answers any questions or gives any evidence.

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