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ksen · 06-08-2007, 03:57 AM

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All infallibility does is say that the Bible accurately transmits how we ought to worship and approach God.

I suppose the only way I'll know for sure is after I'm dead. :huh:

I get the impression that your life is meaningless.

If that's the impression you get than something is wrong with the way I am communicating. I find that my life is full of meaning.

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You will know not anything else after you die. When you die, you rot, and that is known for sure.

That's your opinion. Though I can understand why you'd hold that opinion I disagree with it.

As a Christian I make some pretty extraordinary claims. I understand that it'd take some extraordinary evidence to get others to believe or accept a lot of my claims. And while I may not be able to produce enough evidence to convince you I have seen and experienced enough to be convinced.

ksen · 06-08-2007, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

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Originally Posted by ksen

All infallibility does is say that the Bible accurately transmits how we ought to worship and approach God.

I suppose the only way I'll know for sure is after I'm dead.

You certainly will not know for sure if there is not life after death, but that is not the issue here. The issue here is that you frequently quote the Bible, but have not offered any credible evidence at all that what you quote was in the originals.

I generally don't quote the Bible unless the OP has presented an argument using the Bible. When that's done I figure the Bible is fair game to use since for the sake of the particular OP the assumption is that the Bible we have today is reasonably close to the originals.

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Many inerrantists defend their claim that the Bible is inerrant. Why don't you?

The Bible doesn't need me to defend it. God doesn't need me to defend the Bible.

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Is it your position that God is obligated to provide Christians with inerrant texts, or is the truth actually that you have created a God who appeals to your emotional needs regarding what a loving God must be like?

It's my position that God is not obligated to provide anyone with anything.

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Hundreds of millions of people died without hearing the Gospel message because God refused to tell them about it.

There is not a place left on this earth where you can go and not have some some version of the Gospel available either in print or over the airwaves.

Suspend your disbelief for just a moment and consider that at one point in time all that was left of the human family was Noah and his family, 8 people. Those 8 people had a knowledge of God and a relationship with God. That over time people drifted away from God is not God's fault.

Why do you spend so much time trying to lay blame at the feet of a Being you don't even think exists?

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What good are inerrant texts to people who don't have them? Obviously, God is not really concerned whether or not people hear the Gospel message. If he was, he would tell people about it himself.

Either that or there is something wrong with your thinking about what God ought or ought not do. :huh:

Clivedurdle · 06-08-2007, 02:51 PM

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Suspend your disbelief for just a moment and consider that at one point in time all that was left of the human family was Noah and his family, 8 people. Those 8 people had a knowledge of God and a relationship with God. That over time people drifted away from God is not God's fault.

Did you know that by reading or hearing the phrase "once upon a time" our brains switch states to a mythic state? We do this regularly when we watch a film or play or read a story.

You have asked us to "suspend your disbelief" or go into star trek mode or bedtime story mode.

Noah and the rainbow and the flood are clearly of the imaginary story telling world - we have clear evidence in our genes and from a myriad corroborating sources about what really happened. Asking us to go into neverland mode is irrelevant.

Ksen, are you able to differentiate reality and fiction? They are different!

ELECTROGOD · 06-11-2007, 06:46 AM

Well, I guess that the apparent fallibility of the Bible which I pointed out was too much for ksen to be able to poo-poo so he just ignored it.
(huge YAWN) It's always the same story.

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06-11-2007, 06:46 AM	#84
ELECTROGOD Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: GR, MI USA Posts: 4,009	Well, I guess that the apparent fallibility of the Bible which I pointed out was too much for ksen to be able to poo-poo so he just ignored it. (huge YAWN) It's always the same story.

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