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Dean Anderson · 11-05-2003, 05:02 AM

Since I started browsing IIDB, I noticed that a lot of people are saying 'Catholics aren't Christians' and things like that.

Now when I was a born-again evangelist, I never had that belief. I believed that Catholics were misguided Christians who had doctrinal problems, but fundamentally they were still Christians.

Of course, Catholics aren't the only ones that get the 'But they're not Christians' said about them.

So I thought I'd post this poll (apologies if it doesn't work - it's my first attempt at a poll).

Which of the above are Christians and which aren't?

Personally I would classify all the above as different sects of Christianity - so I am interested to see which ones people disagree with me on.

Barcode · 11-05-2003, 05:21 AM

Personally, I think all you need to believe in is Jesus and the resurrection to call yourself a Christian.

Yes, I think Catholics have some pretty big doctrinal problems and have no business claiming to have an infallible Pope; but then I think all forms of Christianity are seriously, seriously in error ... so, same difference.

What does amuse me is when each sect seems to think only they are right or have access to the truth. As if God only communicates to Catholics or JW's .... honestly.

Nowhere357 · 11-05-2003, 06:53 AM

Religious Tolerance says they all are Christian denominations.

But they count something like 34000 Christion sects, fwiw.

wildernesse · 11-05-2003, 08:08 AM

Methodists are different from Lutherans. Methodists in the US are probably the same as Methodists in the UK. Methodists = John Wesley. Lutherans = Martin Luther. To be very simplistic.

--tibac

Dean Anderson · 11-05-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by wildernesse
Methodists are different from Lutherans. Methodists in the US are probably the same as Methodists in the UK. Methodists = John Wesley. Lutherans = Martin Luther. To be very simplistic.

--tibac

I figured that US Protestants were different from the UK version (i.e. Anglicans) but I wasn't sure about the Methodists and Lutherans.

Stephen T-B · 11-05-2003, 08:28 AM

I�m pretty certain that no authoritative list of Christian Churches and sects would include the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons), the Jehovah�s Witness or the Davidians (a branch of the 7th Day Adventists, which might get in by the skin of its teeth.)

11-05-2003, 08:28 AM

Sorry Pervy I couldn't vote because "none of the above" was missing. Fact is that Christians cannot belong to a religion because to become Christian we must first be born from above and will have no place to call home as son of man.

Catholics theology is right not to call themselves Christians (and therefore Catholic) and this kind of insight alone is sufficient to prove that heaven is for Catholics only.

If the above is true hell is only for protestants which is not to say that all protestants go to hell nor does it mean that all Catholics go to heaven.

Rusting Car Bumper · 11-05-2003, 08:29 AM

It would be very difficult to say Catholic are not Christians since they are essentially the originators of Christianity.

DC

11-05-2003, 08:32 AM

But Catholics are also sinners and have the confessionals to prove it. Since sinners are not Christians (1Jn.3:9 "He who is in Christ cannot sin" [because he has been set free from the law of conviction to be called sinner]) Catholics cannot rightfully be called Christians.

Nowhere357 · 11-05-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Stephen T-B
I�m pretty certain that no authoritative list of Christian Churches and sects would include the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons), the Jehovah�s Witness or the Davidians (a branch of the 7th Day Adventists, which might get in by the skin of its teeth.)

Why is Religious Tolerance not authoritative?

View Poll Results: Are these Christians?
Catholics	47	95.92%
Protestants	48	97.96%
Baptists	48	97.96%
Methodists (called Lutherans in the US?)	48	97.96%
Anglicans	48	97.96%
Branch Davidians	33	67.35%
Mormons	37	75.51%
Jehovah's Witnesses	39	79.59%
7th Day Adventists	42	85.71%
Church of Christian Scientists	40	81.63%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

11-05-2003, 05:02 AM	#1
Dean Anderson Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 6,947	Are these Christians Since I started browsing IIDB, I noticed that a lot of people are saying 'Catholics aren't Christians' and things like that. Now when I was a born-again evangelist, I never had that belief. I believed that Catholics were misguided Christians who had doctrinal problems, but fundamentally they were still Christians. Of course, Catholics aren't the only ones that get the 'But they're not Christians' said about them. So I thought I'd post this poll (apologies if it doesn't work - it's my first attempt at a poll). Which of the above are Christians and which aren't? Personally I would classify all the above as different sects of Christianity - so I am interested to see which ones people disagree with me on.

11-05-2003, 06:53 AM	#3
Nowhere357 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Grand Junction CO Posts: 2,231	Re: Are these Christians Religious Tolerance says they all are Christian denominations. But they count something like 34000 Christion sects, fwiw.

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11-05-2003, 05:21 AM	#2
Barcode Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 633	Personally, I think all you need to believe in is Jesus and the resurrection to call yourself a Christian. Yes, I think Catholics have some pretty big doctrinal problems and have no business claiming to have an infallible Pope; but then I think all forms of Christianity are seriously, seriously in error ... so, same difference. What does amuse me is when each sect seems to think only they are right or have access to the truth. As if God only communicates to Catholics or JW's .... honestly.

11-05-2003, 08:08 AM	#4
wildernesse Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,578	Methodists are different from Lutherans. Methodists in the US are probably the same as Methodists in the UK. Methodists = John Wesley. Lutherans = Martin Luther. To be very simplistic. --tibac

11-05-2003, 08:28 AM	#6
Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	I�m pretty certain that no authoritative list of Christian Churches and sects would include the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons), the Jehovah�s Witness or the Davidians (a branch of the 7th Day Adventists, which might get in by the skin of its teeth.)

11-05-2003, 08:28 AM	#7
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry Pervy I couldn't vote because "none of the above" was missing. Fact is that Christians cannot belong to a religion because to become Christian we must first be born from above and will have no place to call home as son of man. Catholics theology is right not to call themselves Christians (and therefore Catholic) and this kind of insight alone is sufficient to prove that heaven is for Catholics only. If the above is true hell is only for protestants which is not to say that all protestants go to hell nor does it mean that all Catholics go to heaven.

11-05-2003, 08:29 AM	#8
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	It would be very difficult to say Catholic are not Christians since they are essentially the originators of Christianity. DC

11-05-2003, 08:32 AM	#9
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	But Catholics are also sinners and have the confessionals to prove it. Since sinners are not Christians (1Jn.3:9 "He who is in Christ cannot sin" [because he has been set free from the law of conviction to be called sinner]) Catholics cannot rightfully be called Christians.

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